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Scrape
12-16-2015, 10:33 PM
Taken from Stangtv.com

Link is here with pictures for those who want to see the spline.
http://www.stangtv.com/news/strong-rumor-the-next-shelby-gt500-could-it-be-an-awd-ecoboost-v6/

If there’s a man on the moon, or life on Mars, they also know Joe Charles recently received his 2016 Shelby GT350. It’s everywhere on social media, and frankly, we’re surprised Joe hasn’t been on top of Stone Mountain shouting about how happy he is to have the car.
This splined hub is what started the wheels turning for Joe Charles and Jeff Foster. Jeff has felt the next GT500 would be AWD for a while now. He has an Audi RS4, an AWD car with a V8 from the factory. He knows how much fun an AWD GT500 would be.

This splined hub is what started the wheels turning for Joe Charles and Jeff Foster. Jeff has felt the next GT500 would be AWD for a while now. He recently owned an Audi RS4, an AWD car with a V8 from the factory. He knows how much fun an AWD GT500 would be.

As is Joe’s custom with any of his cars, the first thing he did was get the GT350 up on a lift and detail it to the max. If Mike Murillo thinks waxing the underside of a vehicle is worth two-tenths, Joe is able to get three-tenths because he goes to such extremes.

During the detailing process, the wheels came off, along with the front brakes. It was at this time that Joe discovered something that really has our wheels turning. Joe discovered the front hubs of his new GT350 are splined, like what you would find in an AWD car, or 4WD truck. In talking to fellow GT350 enthusiast Jeff Foster (Who is still awaiting delivery of his GT350R), both surmised the splined hub has to mean something. It must be there for some reason. If we have learned anything about Ford, it’s that nothing is ever accidentally on a car. Every piece is there for a reason. So then, why would the GT350 have splined front hubs?

Well, let’s look back. In 2005, the Ford GT Supercar hit showrooms with a 5.4L supercharged Four-Valve engine with a 6-speed transaxle. When the Shelby GT500 debuted in 2007, what engine did it have under the hood? You guessed it, basically the same 5.4L engine as the Ford GT, albeit with a few changes. Just like every manufacturer, Ford has a trickle down way of using parts and pieces from cars up the ladder on vehicles not as prominent.

Okay, back to the splined hub. Joe asked one of his contacts within Ford Motor Company about the splined hub, and got an answer pointing at a part from an Explorer, or something. Well, to get a more clear answer, Joe called up his buddy Paul Dishroon to look up the part number for the hub. Turns out, the hub is unique to the new Mustang. StangTV Editor Don Creason checked the parts on www.fordparts.com, and the hubs are listed differently between the GT and Shelby Mustangs. In fact the hubs are listed as Mustang GT, or Shelby, not listed as GT350. We also verified our EcoBoost project car uses a more traditional rear wheel drive hub, with the hub and bearing riding on the knuckle, rather than this version. Why not use the same hub on the GT and the Shelby? Unless there’s a reason.
From a packaging standpoint, it makes more sense to use the 3.5L EcoBoost from the Ford GT. If that is the case, that will be a tough pill to swallow for many GT500 enthusiasts, but if the car comes with 700 horsepower, and a mean exhaust note, that might be enough to make up for the lack of an earth-rotating, supercharged V8.

From a packaging standpoint, it makes more sense to use the 3.5L EcoBoost from the Ford GT. If that is the case, that will be a tough pill to swallow for many GT500 enthusiasts, but if the car comes with 700 horsepower, and a mean exhaust note, that might be enough to make up for the lack of an earth-rotating, supercharged V8.

That fact got Joe to thinking, why would Ford put a splined hub on the new Mustang? Thinking back on the fact that Ford doesn’t accidentally put something on a car, could the new Shelby GT500 be an AWD 3.5L EcoBoost combination? Could the splined hub be a hint on where the car is headed? Jeff has actually thought the next GT500 would be AWD for a while now. Remember, the newest Ford GT’s 3.5L EcoBoost engine makes over 600 horsepower. The engine uses twin-turbochargers, and in racing form, over 800 horsepower is well within the realm of possibility.

We’ve been seeing rumors for a while that the next GT500 would feature an EcoBoost V6. While we’ve largely discounted those rumors since we’ve seen no evidence, this new parts revelation seems to reinforce such a notion.

The only time in our experience we’ve seen a splined hub on the front end of a rear wheel drive vehicle has been when a manufacturer offers a four wheel drive or all wheel drive option, but only wants to use a single part for both applications. In those instances doing so reduces manufacturing and supply complexities. But why would you do that on a Mustang, unless you have a reason.

Further, we can see no additional performance advantage going to a bolt-on hub of this type would offer over the spindle mounted style hub and bearing that has been used on the Mustang since 1994, and is still in use on the V6, EcoBoost and GT in the S550 chassis.

Since the 2013-’14 GT500 made 662 horsepower at the crank, and with the Dodge Challenger Hellcat rated at 707 horsepower, the new GT500 must have at least 700 horsepower, with the capability of much more. The new EcoBoost 3.5 slated for the GT and Raptor is definitely capable of making that number, and it is much lighter than an equally-appointed V8 engine. The lighter weight of an EcoBoost V6 could also offset the added weight of an AWD system.

Could Ford be going after the Nissan GT-R? Will the next Shelby GT500 be an EcoBoost 3.5L AWD machine? Well, we don’t know for sure, but if splines could talk, they’d say we might be onto something. Either that, or Ford is messing with us.

Only time will tell.

Intmdtr
12-16-2015, 11:53 PM
My guess is the front hubs are probably going to be used in a FWD Super car like the focus RS or maybe even a Taurus SHO?

Ray721
12-17-2015, 12:42 AM
I'll be lighting my car on fire in the middle of a dealer lot if Ford puts a V6 in a GT500.

BAB CObra
12-17-2015, 07:24 AM
bahahaha love dumb rumor mill stuff. makes me laugh hysterically.

ZR
12-17-2015, 08:07 AM
Wish they'd dump this whole Shelby angle n make it an SVT whatever.

TheMustangShow
12-17-2015, 09:42 AM
"That fact got Joe to thinking,"

Joe should stop thinking BS.

There is no new GT500 coming and SVT is finished.

ZR
12-17-2015, 09:47 AM
Well, combo of Joe saying it + posted on the interweb = it has to be true!!!!

stangstevers
12-17-2015, 10:07 AM
2020 Mustang SVT GT500 Shelby Cobra Pace Car Twister Boss 3.5 Ecoboost:

http://onlytruecars.com/data_images/models/ford-probe/ford-probe-05.jpg

BAB CObra
12-17-2015, 12:30 PM
"That fact got Joe to thinking,"

Joe should stop thinking BS.

There is no new GT500 coming and SVT is finished.

haha sooooo how would you know there is no GT500 coming?
what sources do you have?
considering i work at HQ in PD i am sure you will be happy soon enough with the opposite of your thoughts

Mellow Yellow
12-17-2015, 12:32 PM
haha sooooo how would you know there is no GT500 coming?
what sources do you have?
considering i work at HQ in PD i am sure you will be happy soon enough with the opposite of your thoughts

We're listening....






Know you can't say!

BAB CObra
12-17-2015, 12:50 PM
no i cannot.. but i love hearing rumors and the ppl who believe in them.. DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING TILL YOU SEE IT.

Ray721
12-17-2015, 01:39 PM
So it's gonna be a 5.2 head Twin Turbo Coyote, Sounds good to me! [emoji1]

70XR7
12-17-2015, 02:50 PM
Rick said it.
Drop the Shelby name. At least for now..
a commemorative Shelby can come out every decade or something, but there's Machs, SVT.. hell ~COUGH~, there's even the King Cobra.

either way, just look at this sentence and try not to cringe:
There's a V6 in a Shelby.

It's wrong. So wrong.

ZR
12-17-2015, 02:58 PM
^^^ Your likely right.

RedSN
12-17-2015, 05:34 PM
There's a V6 in a Shelby.

It's wrong. So wrong.

Like a 4-cyl Shelby?

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1068/1601/2668300003_large.jpg

Biz
12-17-2015, 05:40 PM
Shelby and SVT have been a money maker for Ford from the car to brand merch.
I doubt it's going anywhere.
The problem is the "typical" mustang driver doesn't think outside the box.
Ford knows this.
Once the RS arrives I think people will start to rethink what was "normal".

TheMustangShow
12-17-2015, 05:48 PM
haha sooooo how would you know there is no GT500 coming?
what sources do you have?
considering i work at HQ in PD i am sure you will be happy soon enough with the opposite of your thoughts

Tell me that SVT is still an on-going concern and I'll be pleased.

Not4you
12-17-2015, 05:49 PM
either way, just look at this sentence and try not to cringe:
There's a V6 in a Shelby.

It's wrong. So wrong.

but could be oh so right too ...

http://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/01/12/95f60c3b-6041-4d15-92f1-9ad4073b8907/resize/1170xauto/aaf7f2e313c20cd9f0a20c6a7c1e85ab/ford-gt-4778.jpg


I think I will reserve judgement about a v6 musclecar until after this beast gets home from France next summer ...

http://blogmedia.dealerfire.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/49/2015/06/FORD_LE_MANS_10.jpg


A Le Mans dominating drivetrain in a Mustang?? Sign me the fuck UP!!

ZR
12-17-2015, 05:50 PM
As would I.

Ray721
12-18-2015, 12:27 AM
Yeah performance is there but they sound like absolute GARBAGE!

stangstevers
12-18-2015, 08:11 AM
Doesn't Ford put rumble sounds in the radio?

BAB CObra
12-18-2015, 08:57 AM
all this have for v6's..with turbos.. there is a new division we have sooo dont worry.
anyways.. wont be a v6 we want the HP title back.. not gonna get there with a V6 thats economical.

TheMustangShow
12-18-2015, 03:26 PM
all this have for v6's..with turbos.. there is a new division we have sooo dont worry.
anyways.. wont be a v6 we want the HP title back.. not gonna get there with a V6 thats economical.

So you work for FORD, I was told at Mid-Ohio by Ford Execs that SVT is dead.


Please confirm.

Armen
12-18-2015, 03:31 PM
So you work for FORD, I was told at Mid-Ohio by Ford Execs that SVT is dead.


Please confirm.

Maybe he means Ford Performance...

TheMustangShow
12-18-2015, 03:37 PM
Maybe he means Ford Performance...

I was told Ford Performance is the new global branding for Factory Ford High Performance Vehicles and that SVT is now defunct.

This was directly from Senior Management over dinner, I can't believe that would just be thrown out there, if not factual.

bluetoy
12-18-2015, 04:53 PM
SVT is just a name. It used to be SVO. Now it wll be Ford performance. Who cares what they call it. As long as there is a performance division. Call it Special vehicle operations, Ford motorsports, Ford racing, Special vehicle team or Ford performance doesn't matter.

Ray721
12-18-2015, 04:58 PM
Name means nothing to me. Just want a V8.

Even AWD could be tolerable.

Darkhorse
12-18-2015, 09:55 PM
If they do another GT500 it makes perfect sense they would use the Ford GT TT V6 for it. Everyone knew the '14 662bhp Shelby was the end of an era.

Hutch
12-20-2015, 03:13 PM
Wish they'd dump this whole Shelby angle n make it an SVT whatever.

SAME HERE

FABMAN
12-20-2015, 10:21 PM
Name means nothing to me. Just want a V8.

Even AWD could be tolerable.

Personally believe AWD would just be awesome in a new top of the line Mustang. Crazy power that can't be put down to the ground is useless. 700+HP boosted V8 with AWD would be unreal! Now if they can only learn how to make this damn cars smaller and lighter....that would then be perfect!

Oh and another vote to drop the whole Shelby thing...let's just back to building cobras, bosses and machs!

Ponyryd
12-20-2015, 10:31 PM
I guess Victor (zoomin) isn't on here......all these rumours seem unfounded, just a bunch of talk to get the name back in the news. But really, given the weight of the s550 I can't see them making it awd, it would be comparably to a GTR in weight.

BAB CObra
12-22-2015, 12:42 PM
I guess Victor (zoomin) isn't on here......all these rumours seem unfounded, just a bunch of talk to get the name back in the news. But really, given the weight of the s550 I can't see them making it awd, it would be comparably to a GTR in weight.

cuz vic is the only person that works at hq? lol I work with him and get the same info

Monera3v
01-11-2016, 10:24 AM
well they did put a v6 tt in the ford gt... you never know.

BAB CObra
01-12-2016, 09:05 AM
well they did put a v6 tt in the ford gt... you never know.
I work at HQ for blue oval lol.. so i know

ZR
01-12-2016, 09:07 AM
well they did put a v6 tt in the ford gt... you never know.

Yes they did. :(

http://orig03.deviantart.net/9f04/f/2009/285/4/d/all_aboard_the_fail_bus_by_demoneyes303.jpg

BAB CObra
01-12-2016, 09:18 AM
Oh rick dont hate.. that ECOBOOST V6TT is a monster for the Ford GT..

ZR
01-12-2016, 10:33 AM
To me, might as well say Honda on the rear 1/4 vs Ford, love the car, hate the sound. Iconic ride that deserves a high tech nasty as hell V8 under the bonnet. IMHO of course.

ZR
01-12-2016, 10:36 AM
GT40 we are building, roller small block that is gonna sound like pure sex.

toofast306
01-12-2016, 10:52 AM
direct injection twin turbo 5pointO.
My .02

TheMustangShow
01-12-2016, 11:36 AM
I work at HQ for blue oval lol.. so i know

Lmao!

TheMustangShow
01-12-2016, 11:39 AM
Oh rick dont hate.. that ECOBOOST V6TT is a monster for the Ford GT..

It's a Monster in Mid-Engined Supercar that weighs at least a 1000lbs less than a S550.

FordFTW
01-24-2016, 01:18 AM
the last ford gt had a blown 5.4 in it and the gt500 ended up with that engine...current ford gt has a v6tt eco so the next gt500 will have a v6tt eco......grand national gets a ton of respect and it was a turbo 6...the old svo mustangs were turbo 4's....current nissan gtrs will pretty much have any production v8 mustang for breakfast... ecoboost is where ford is going so get used to it...

Scrape
01-24-2016, 11:52 PM
Very good point there FordFTW.

the last ford gt had a blown 5.4 in it and the gt500 ended up with that engine...current ford gt has a v6tt eco so the next gt500 will have a v6tt eco......grand national gets a ton of respect and it was a turbo 6...the old svo mustangs were turbo 4's....current nissan gtrs will pretty much have any production v8 mustang for breakfast... ecoboost is where ford is going so get used to it...