Mustang Lithium Concept

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11-05-2019, 04:13 PM
Laffs

Mustang Lithium Concept

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/pq...ng-lithium.jpg

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sho...c=socialflowTW

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Originally Posted by Road and Track

Ford is going electric for SEMA this year with its freshly announced Mustang Lithium. The pony car is an all-electric one-off with over 900 horsepower and 1000 lb-ft of torque, a bunch of aftermarket add-ons, and a six-speed manual transmission. Hell yeah.

The Mustang Lithium was built in collaboration with Webasto, the company that developed the car's battery system. It's an 800-volt setup, similar to the one found on the Porsche Taycan. Power goes from two inverters to a Phi-Power dual-core electric motor, which sends thrust through through a billet six-speed Getrag MT82 manual transmission. There's an 8.8-inch Torsen limited-slip differential out back, twisting Ford Performance half-shafts.

Holy fuck this is rad. If this is the future I can get on board with that.
11-05-2019, 05:59 PM
Foxstang

I'm waiting for an electric mid sized truck.
11-05-2019, 06:47 PM
Ponyryd

Looks cool but a six-speed manual??? Gears are usually not needed with electrics, and if so it’s only two. Not to mention that trans would need crazy strength to take the abuse of an electric powertrain.
I still prefer ICE, the car looks great and has good stats, but sound is a big part of car culture to me.
11-05-2019, 06:52 PM
Laffs

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Originally Posted by Ponyryd

Looks cool but a six-speed manual??? Gears are usually not needed with electrics, and if so it’s only two. Not to mention that trans would need crazy strength to take the abuse of an electric powertrain.
I still prefer ICE, the car looks great and has good stats, but sound is a big part of car culture to me.

I think having a manual 6 speed is what makes this so cool. Also, believe the trans is built as hell.
11-05-2019, 07:32 PM
RedSN

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Originally Posted by Ponyryd

Not to mention that trans would need crazy strength to take the abuse of an electric powertrain.

Was thinking the same. That 1000 ft-lb of torque is instant. Unless there’s some kind of controller on the clutch pedal that limits the volts dumped to the motor.

Electrics aside .....that paint scheme! That car looks hot! White with big blue callipers? Why have I not seen that before?
11-05-2019, 09:33 PM
Ponyryd

^Ya I love it, looks like the hood and roof may be grey or gunmetal coloured, if it weren’t for the weird blue graphics it would be perfect.

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Originally Posted by Laffs

I think having a manual 6 speed is what makes this so cool. Also, believe the trans is built as hell.

Might be cool but also basically pointless, it’s not needed. Any let’s be honest here, Ford isn’t the greatest at building strong trannies, so unless the car has some kind of nanny as Don stated, that trans will be scattered pretty quickly.
11-05-2019, 10:26 PM
Laffs

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Originally Posted by Ponyryd

^Ya I love it, looks like the hood and roof may be grey or gunmetal coloured, if it weren’t for the weird blue graphics it would be perfect.

Might be cool but also basically pointless, it’s not needed. Any let’s be honest here, Ford isn’t the greatest at building strong trannies, so unless the car has some kind of nanny as Don stated, that trans will be scattered pretty quickly.

It's a full billet Calimer built trans. I know not needed but I feel like its a huge step to bridge the Motorhead-Techie gap that so many electrics miss. To me this is genuinely the most excited electric car dreamt by an OE.
11-05-2019, 10:30 PM
Laffs

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Originally Posted by RedSN

Was thinking the same. That 1000 ft-lb of torque is instant. Unless there’s some kind of controller on the clutch pedal that limits the volts dumped to the motor.

Electrics aside .....that paint scheme! That car looks hot! White with big blue callipers? Why have I not seen that before?

C6ZR1 did that, and is still on my Mount Rushmore of OE hottness.

https://pkautodesign.com/wp-content/...ack-wheels.jpg
11-05-2019, 10:43 PM
hammerhead

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Originally Posted by Foxstang

I'm waiting for an electric mid sized truck.

2023 I read recently electric f150 so that probably means 2030...
11-05-2019, 11:03 PM
hammerhead

would like to see pics of it moving...and happy to see it's still a mustang! I read recently somewhere gm to have an electric sports car by 2023 but didn't say what - at this stage was a littles skeptical that the big three would have anything by 2025 - this looks promising...
11-05-2019, 11:04 PM
Ponyryd

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Originally Posted by hammerhead

would like to see pics of it moving...and happy to see it's still a mustang! I read recently somewhere gm to have an electric sports car by 2023 but didn't say what - at this stage was a littles skeptical that the big three would have anything by 2025 - this looks promising...

There’s an electric COPO Camaro drag car, so that’s not much of a stretch.....
11-06-2019, 02:13 AM
Hotford

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Originally Posted by Ponyryd

^Ya I love it, looks like the hood and roof may be grey or gunmetal coloured, if it weren’t for the weird blue graphics it would be perfect.

Ford isn’t the greatest at building strong trannies, so unless the car has some kind of nanny as Don stated, that trans will be scattered pretty quickly.

Really!!
First of all the manuals ford contract them out to third party and heck the T-56 is a stout piece and the GT 500 ones are even better...…

The auto's have come a long way...the 6R680 will support 900 rwhp untouched and the 10 speed is showing the same......
11-06-2019, 08:36 AM
BAB CObra

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Originally Posted by hammerhead

2023 I read recently electric f150 so that probably means 2030...

WRONG not 2030.. lol i would know
11-06-2019, 08:57 AM
hammerhead

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Originally Posted by BAB CObra

WRONG not 2030.. lol i would know

lol do tell...
11-06-2019, 09:18 AM
Foxstang

It's great... you could probably just leave it in 4th gear and drive it like an auto if you wanted to... It's best of both worlds. Electric is the way to go, there's no doubt. I'll take monster-truck torque at 0rpm over a V8 sound, it's not like it will sound like a stupid 4 banger lol Besides you could easily virtualize the sounds and vibrations.
11-06-2019, 09:58 AM
mavrrrick

Cool...just can't wrap my head around no BRAAAAAAAAAAAP
11-06-2019, 10:38 AM
BAB CObra

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Originally Posted by mavrrrick

Cool...just can't wrap my head around no BRAAAAAAAAAAAP

YOu can when it sucks you back in the seat every gear :) lol.. i had some shit to do with it considering i am the EV guy here.

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Originally Posted by hammerhead

lol do tell...

its cmoing soon you should put your order in in a year or so
11-06-2019, 11:11 AM
Old Fart

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Originally Posted by mavrrrick

Cool...just can't wrap my head around no BRAAAAAAAAAAAP

Maybe they'll send the BRAAAAP through the speakers!
11-06-2019, 11:13 AM
hammerhead

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Originally Posted by BAB CObra

YOu can when it sucks you back in the seat every gear :) lol.. i had some shit to do with it considering i am the EV guy here.

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its cmoing soon you should put your order in in a year or so

It sounds promising - I've read as much as I could find on it, but I don't see an new or electric vehicle in the near future and will watch from the side lines
11-06-2019, 11:35 AM
mavrrrick

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Originally Posted by Old Fart

Maybe they'll send the BRAAAAP through the speakers!

Or just have wife screaming beside ya....same diff....meh
11-06-2019, 04:10 PM
Ponyryd

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Originally Posted by Hotford

Really!!
First of all the manuals ford contract them out to third party and heck the T-56 is a stout piece and the GT 500 ones are even better...…

The auto's have come a long way...the 6R680 will support 900 rwhp untouched and the 10 speed is showing the same......

Ya the T56 is a good one, and yes I’m aware they contract them out. I know the autos are pretty strong, but the Coyote stick and anything before it haven’t held up to power very well from what I’ve heard.
11-06-2019, 05:26 PM
bluetoy

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Originally Posted by BAB CObra

its cmoing soon you should put your order in in a year or so

Please tell me it has much more than 500 km range (like 1000 km) otherwise it will be useless. As my recent Tesla rental taught me. 500km is only 100% charge range. So the recommended 80% charge is 400km. Don't go below 10% charge so that is 350 km range. Factor in headlights, heater and A/C, Wipers, electric steering, Radio etc. Plus different driving styles and you are looking at realistic 250km range. Worse if you travel more than 60-80 kph. Lack of level 3 chargers. There you have it. An F150 that costs 75,000 and is good for a daily commute only. Makes me sad because I am sick of buying fuel. I want an electric car.
11-06-2019, 09:05 PM
hammerhead

I've read the range will be under 500 on the F150
11-06-2019, 11:02 PM
Uncle Buck

I look forward to my first DD EV someday soon but not my mustang. Sorry, just not for me but for those who do want one, it will be exciting times for sure.
11-07-2019, 08:34 AM
Foxstang

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Originally Posted by bluetoy

Please tell me it has much more than 500 km range (like 1000 km) otherwise it will be useless. As my recent Tesla rental taught me. 500km is only 100% charge range. So the recommended 80% charge is 400km. Don't go below 10% charge so that is 350 km range. Factor in headlights, heater and A/C, Wipers, electric steering, Radio etc. Plus different driving styles and you are looking at realistic 250km range. Worse if you travel more than 60-80 kph. Lack of level 3 chargers. There you have it. An F150 that costs 75,000 and is good for a daily commute only. Makes me sad because I am sick of buying fuel. I want an electric car.

Average people don't do more than 100km /day. I do about 120-150 with my stupid commute taking the loooong way home (farm country to avoid the 401) and I'd be happy with a 250km range.
11-07-2019, 08:35 AM
Foxstang

Also, got my service upgraded and I'll be running a 6/3 cable to the garage to start with a 60amp sub-panel. I'm getting ready for this... Ideally we will have two electric daily drivers and a fox body or two. I can't wait, I will drive by gas stations giving them the finger each day.
11-07-2019, 11:50 AM
Ponyryd

^But you’re paying a higher initial cost as well as paying for hydro to charge the cars. And no doubt the hydro rates will go up as the grid is overloaded by all of the electrics. IMO an electric car only makes sense if you can charge it at work.
11-07-2019, 01:26 PM
Foxstang

If you do cost/benefit or ROI calcs... electrics don't make a lot of a sense for most people. I also don't think it's the answer to "climate change" either, if that's even an issue. Real answer is to get cars off the road like 4 day work weeks, telecommuting, etc. But the real answers don't add to "revenue generators" for governments - they only solve possible climate problems.

With that said, I like electrics for the tech, not having to freeze standing around pumping gas into a car, the power/torque, etc...
11-07-2019, 02:22 PM
True Blue

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Originally Posted by Ponyryd

^But you’re paying a higher initial cost as well as paying for hydro to charge the cars. And no doubt the hydro rates will go up as the grid is overloaded by all of the electrics. IMO an electric car only makes sense if you can charge it at work.

It will be a matter of time when the government steps in and start charging extra fees (ie:taxes) to those with at home charging stations to make up for lost revenue from the fuel taxes. People are dreaming thinking it's going to stay at $4-5 to charge up their car, as more EV's hit the roads.
11-07-2019, 06:48 PM
Foxstang

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Originally Posted by True Blue

It will be a matter of time when the government steps in and start charging extra fees (ie:taxes) to those with at home charging stations to make up for lost revenue from the fuel taxes. People are dreaming thinking it's going to stay at $4-5 to charge up their car, as more EV's hit the roads.

True dat!

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