No info. on the GHMA or the facebook page that I could see....
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No info. on the GHMA or the facebook page that I could see....
Turn out last yr was anything but stellar. Sure it was on the long weekend and yes it was brutally hot n humid then rained late in the day ............... but man what a great time. Far exceeded number of laps I'd normally log there in a day.
I am hoping it is a go and on a day I can make it out
Go or no go details will be coming soon.
I had emailed Ryan from GHMA a few weeks back asking if there was anything we could do to help with making the event go this year again, did not get a response. I should try to give him a call this week I think, unless Rick has been speaking with him already.
hope it's a go, by far my favorite event of the year
Be appreciated if everyone would stay tuned for now.
Favorite event, live for it as well, had time of my life last summer, ya it was that good.
I've never been but would love to go this year!
It’s an awesome event.
Alas... I can no longer attend. Silly convertible.
Was at the GHMA meeting yesterday and GHMA has dropped the event. It is being picked up by another group and still called Mustangs at Mosport. However, the cost was stated as being $649. Apparently Ryan shared costs when it was a GHMA event and the women representing the new group could not believe it could be done so cheaply and still make a modest profit. This years date is July 1st.
Please seek official confirmation of the above from Ryan as I may have gotten something wrong.
^^^^ Thanks. Wow....$649, that's quite a hike over previous years. Oh well....guess you have to pay to play. No question it is a blast though. There are some other clubs @ Mosport that offer lapping days, so might be worth some googling.
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Just takes a 4 pt. roll bar install and you're good to go. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Armen
Nope. Not gonna do it for one event. Thought about it tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gr8Stang
I did some lapping events outside the Mustang at Mosport. The higher fee brought less people out, those events are usually catered as well. The amount of free space laps and the on track time is amazing at the higher cost events.
The higher price is a draw back and makes it hard to swallow, but if you can swing it and are a track junkie, it has its pluses for sure.
I will miss the GHMA event, thank the volunteers for their efforts and how great is has been. I always enjoyed it and kept me looking forward to the next event
On the bright side looks like my Most times towed off the track in one day record will stand supreme . LOL Damn car
$649 will get you most of the way to the entry for a proper 2 day school with the BMW Trillium club on the big track, and on a weekend to boot. For those who are even semi-serious about improving their driving skills, that would be a much better value ... some classroom theory and proper in-car coaching.
cheers
Ed
This is what I’m after.Quote:
Originally Posted by fast Ed
There are other groups that do the big track for much cheaper than $650. It’s disappointing the mustang group isn’t doing it anymore. It was a fun event
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Originally Posted by fast Ed
It would be fun if we could get a group of TMCers to agree on a date and attend a school together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hutch
I would be in for that!!!!
$650. That’s 5 track days at TMP. I know that’s apples and oranges, but....
Has there been any thought to renting the DDT?
DDT isn't cheap to rent either since they gave it the full refresh a few years back ... you need about 45 people at around $250 - $300 each to cover the cost of a day there.
Peter Hanson has the dates for his schools for 2019 there set already, you can check them out on his site:
http://hansoninternationaldriving.com/
This is my big beef with racing - it's seems there's still people that want to keep it to the elite and keep the average guy out - it shouldn't be that way - especially when we are encouraged to keep it off the street - I see a big opportunity for race tracks and the need for them, especially the way commuter vehicles are going - if it is more affordable, more people would come, the more people come the need for more tracks will increase - if I had the cash to invest or new how to attract investors I would pursue a race track business. I can see it being a viable venture - but you get people with money in the way that are bent on making things difficult for the average....
The owners at Mosport have poured a huge amount of money and time in there the last ten years to attract and keep some of the bigger pro race series events. So the upside is that the track and the facility is much much nicer than it ever used to be, but the flip side of course is that track rental costs for schools and lapping events has climbed considerably.
http://www.rsrnurburg.com/product/pu...iving-sessions
- it's is less than 50$'s Canadian per lap roughly 13miles - in Canada everything is difficult - over the years I've tried to afford getting on a track and have many friends that will agree with me - aside from cost there are a lot of other ridiculous road blocks and hoops to go thru - just go to the CSCA and look at what it takes to get a membership in my opinion it's mostly BS - this is just the start of what I read online and then with a fork tongue say things like, "we want to be able to get everyone involved in racing to keep this great past time going". (membership is a word that relates to stuck up in my mind, also difficulties, hoops, leverage, and over regulation to keep it to a minimum). Even just getting to the track is a hassle if you own your own trailer and the leaches called the MTO are lurking to write fines. That's the BS Canadian way - we see it in other sports like golf and it's why are cell phones cost so much....If I had a race track a lot of BS would disappear!!!!
That’s a great idea!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen06GT
Racing has always been a rich persons sport. The saying is if you want to make a million dollars in racing, start with 2M. CTMP has been brought back to a world class track. Just think about how much property costs now a days!! Big bills to pay owning a track and you only get a chance to recoupe that money max 6-7 months a year. $650 a day is pricey though for just lapping when other groups charge less (talking about the mustang club).Quote:
Originally Posted by hammerhead
Who and where?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hutch
I am after pounding some empty track laps, I recall being passed by gt3 cars and not needing to lift to let them by. The last instructed event I was at was good but too much traffic, speed was lost for me.
6th Gear group does lots of events on the big track that are about $500 per day I believe, for experienced lappers.
https://6thgear.ca/events/
A group that I also do some coaching with is DriveTeq, they do school events with three groups, so the fast group is no coaches and definitely a speedy bunch with not much traffic
https://driveteq.ca/
With either of these, in the fast groups you will need to have your wits about you and very good awareness of the other cars on track
Thanks Ed. Looks like it's $575 for the day and another $500 if you want in car instruction. Also looks like you need some experience to go lapping with them....per the Event info.:Quote:
Originally Posted by fast Ed
"This is an Advanced level track day and is of restricted access - all drivers must be able to demonstrate sufficient experience of a comparable nature to be allowed to attend. Participation will be confirmed by 6th Gear staff after registration (and before the event). All non-approved registrations will be fully refunded."
^^^LOL, basically, I think they are saying: don't drive like a jackass. 6th Gear staff will determine if you are a jackass.
They will likely ask you what other groups / events you have run with, at what level, to get an idea of your competency. I know with DriveTeq, if they have someone new to them who claims to have lots of prior experience and wants to go in the advanced group, in the first session they will get sent out with a coach for a check ride to confirm.
Not sure how 6th Gear vets you before the event, they will explain if asked I'm guessing. I haven't done any events with them, but know people who have and they enjoyed the days.
In my case, I'd like to think my car would be in the way not the driver.......
Those track days look like they attract some silly fast cars
I was out with race rockets, maclarens, vipers, porsches, Ms and vettes. My old stock cobra and I was out classed but I had a BLAST. Great bunch of guys. The SLOW group was still blazing fast but not many cars in it
I need to make more money LOL
yes I realize all that - but you are also channeled into spending money that has nothing to do with the track - like a BS license for starters - I'm not narrowing it down to the CTMP it's just everything compiled together - at nurburg public track session raises as much a 300,000 $'s with a low entry fee that's how many crazies want to try - for now I will stick to track days where I can and lapping and autocross - but it would be really nice to get out a stretch your legs once in a while... racing seems to be easily accessible all over the world except here - in a year or so I would be very interested in putting something together with a group of people as suggested above. Calabogie s probably where I will be going just not quite ready yet - I like your analogy "spend two million to make a million"...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Hutch
I had some friends try to set this up a few years back - they killed it with insurance from what I've heard - But that was a private open wheel racing - not lapping of testingQuote:
Originally Posted by RedSN
Just did a little more digging on their site, and you either have to prove to them from your past experience and/OR do the "Check Ride", where an instructor goes out with you for a 20 min. session and determines whether you're skilled/safe enough to participate with them. And if you decide to roll the dice and do the Check Ride the day of the event and fail....you either pay to have an instructor or go home (you lose your registration fee...ouch!).Quote:
Originally Posted by fast Ed
Here's the FAQ: https://6thgear.ca/faq/
that's what I'm talking about ^^^ the more you dig the more discouraging it gets - there's tons of potential for growth but it's hindered with closed minds and membership - fraternity like mentality...you could pay upwards of 500 $'s for a short lesson and still be refused and is the instructor any better of a driver or just a guy who's done some lapping and paid for a weekend instructor course and is now a bonified instructor cause he's a member of the frat way of thinking - it needs to change - it's needs to be organized so people learn and advance at a controlled affordable pace - the setup now in my opinion is just BS and random pockets of money grabbers that I think just limits success - when I and many of the members here where young to rent a movie at the video store in the early days you needed to be a member first and foremost before you could even get a movie...that business model spurred Blockbuster and later Netflix and it will continue to evolve and be a success...it's time to evolve racing!
Personally. I like the stricter rules and system. It limits risk for all those involved.. Drivers wrecking and getting a session red flagged for the clean up. Upsetting many and possible serious injuring themselves is a high and present danger. Just because we can afford to drive a fast car does not mean we can control it at speed. Our driving skills and ability should be scrutinized.
Track days are not for the light hearted or thinned wallet. Not everyone can just build and maintain a track like Mosport.
Experience does make a driver better, Doing training days are great. but “Lapping days” are about the fun of up at speed in a safe controlled environment.
The good thing about the other events is you can run what you brung, not just Ford powered
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Originally Posted by hammerhead
That's why events like the DaSilva days at TMP are a great place for people to get their feet wet giving this a go for a pretty reasonable price. No membership of any kind required, you pay the entry fee, and show up with a vehicle in ready condition and the proper attitude. Any private group that puts on a lapping day is free to create and enforce their own rules, which I certainly agree with especially at a dangerous circuit like Mosport. You are speculating about the ego and attitude of people that you've never met ... I'm not saying that I haven't come across ones like that, it certainly happens. Once you have done a sufficient number of track days to consider attending a lapping event at the Mosport GP (which should be at least half a dozen if not more), you and people that have ridden with you will have a pretty good gauge of your competency. Then it won't be a roll of the dice as to whether or not you're going to be allowed to run at an event after getting checked out. The event organizers are always looking for repeat customers, they are not going to let their instructors send people home for trivial reasons.
Having been involved with circuit racing and instructing for almost 30 years now, I am reasonably experienced and competent, but certainly don't consider myself an expert,. I'll give you an example of why people need to be checked out before being allowed to run in an advanced lapping group. Two summers ago I was assisting at an event run as its own deal by some people who were affiliated with the BMW Trillium club. Two students that I got paired with, one advanced and one intermediate, were sharing the intermediate student's late model BMW M5. Neither of them had ever driven the GP circuit before, but had some previous lapping experience. The organizers' criteria for putting him in the advanced guy in that group was that he had been to the Nurburgring.
It was raining pretty steady all day, and in the first session with the "advanced" driver he decided that even though he'd never driven this circuit, he was going to push his friend's very fast and capable car to the point where the electronic aids were intervening multiple times per lap. He did slow down a bit after being repeatedly admonished, but this behaviour continued throughout the day. I told the chief instructor that he should be in intermediate, and the car owner who was already in that group should be in with the novices, because he was struggling, but they encouraged me to keep working with them in their current groups. Compounding the problem was their scheduling for the sessions, after lunch they were combining the novice and intermediate groups so if we had moved these guys as I was asking for, they would no longer be able to share the car that day and get all of their sessions.
Finally by mid-afternoon and the advanced guy still not heeding my direction to slow down (he did have some decent skills, but he didn't realize how much the car was intervening and saving his ass), I told the chief instructor to pair someone else with him because I did not feel like being in a crash that day. As I've got past 50 yrs old my self-preservation instincts kick in at a lower threshold, especially at Mosport. If I had been the chief person that day, I would have been telling this person that he either slowed down, or be sent home. He is an example of someone who claimed to have adequate experience, but should not have been in the group that he was ... partially the organizers' fault there as well to suit their scheduling with him sharing the car. Sure he'd been at the Nurburgring, but unless he mastered it while he was there, it's not really much help on a rainy day at Mosport.
Driving quickly on a race track with others around you is NEVER to be taken lightly. In almost all cases the people organizing these types of lapping events and schools have a pretty solid background and track experience. These are first world problems when you boil it down ... if you feel that you can do a better job cheaper running an event, then by all means get a group of participants together and rent a day at the track!!
/ RANT OFF :)
that was the most polite, well written rant EVER.
No amount of money ever would get me in the passenger seat of a car with a driver I don't know and drive around CTMP in their crazy fast car in the rain. Instructors earn their money for sure.
To me its all driver attitude. Don't take it personally that your put in the "slow" group. We all started there and at CTMP I'm more than happy in the slow group. Just because your car is fast, doesn't mean you are.
This, and check your ego at the gate.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1BAD92LX