Already pulled the trigger from Scott. Most of what I'm seeing out there are what I'd classify as a "city snow tire". Back into sledding will see a trailer on back at least once a week, need something that can actually deal with a snotty unplowed road. Another consideration, snow flake rated so there is no grey area with ins co. My summer skins are M&S rated, looking at the tread and having driven on them in an early snow (traction of a virtually bald tire), no idea how tire co's get away with rating them as such.