The new norm for the GTA and many other cities n towns around Ontario.

[hammerhead]

^^^^ yep it goes back quite a ways - tons of other crimes we never hear about - lots of good people came out of the area though eg. Robert H. of Dragons Den & Shark Tank (don't want to butcher his last name) was my neighbour in the next building - I did not know him he is about 10yrs younger...

[Armen]

It's going to get worse unless something changes. These guys are cold, hardened killers - and many are only in their late teens or early 20's. They don't care about anything, including going to jail. It's a completely different way of life than anyone on here could relate to. Some don't even have a specific beef. They just see a guy from another territory in their area and that's all it takes. They don't know him or his name. They just know he's in the wrong area and needs to be punished. And if he's not punished and someone else finds out that there was chance to do something and it didn't get done, then that guy is going to get punished. It's completely insane. And when these guys do go to jail, the insanity doesn't just come to a pause. It continues.

[ZR]

Unfortunately, you'd have a better idea of no pause once incarcerated vs any of us. Be safe Chris.

[hammerhead]

It's going to get worse unless something changes. These guys are cold, hardened killers - and many are only in their late teens or early 20's. They don't care about anything, including going to jail. It's a completely different way of life than anyone on here could relate to. Some don't even have a specific beef. They just see a guy from another territory in their area and that's all it takes. They don't know him or his name. They just know he's in the wrong area and needs to be punished. And if he's not punished and someone else finds out that there was chance to do something and it didn't get done, then that guy is going to get punished. It's completely insane. And when these guys do go to jail, the insanity doesn't just come to a pause. It continues.

yes - the gang mentality has really set in since the early '80's and it's not just the GTA anymore- I've heard some strange stories come out towns outside the GTA - even had some recent city like happenings in Shelburne that up until a few years ago was unheard of there.

[RedSN]

Some don't even have a specific beef. They just see a guy from another territory in their area and that's all it takes. They don't know him or his name. They just know he's in the wrong area and needs to be punished.

Zone defense.

[Laffs]

It's going to get worse unless something changes. These guys are cold, hardened killers - and many are only in their late teens or early 20's. They don't care about anything, including going to jail. It's a completely different way of life than anyone on here could relate to. Some don't even have a specific beef. They just see a guy from another territory in their area and that's all it takes. They don't know him or his name. They just know he's in the wrong area and needs to be punished. And if he's not punished and someone else finds out that there was chance to do something and it didn't get done, then that guy is going to get punished. It's completely insane. And when these guys do go to jail, the insanity doesn't just come to a pause. It continues.

Here's maybe a stupid questions, would the idea of capital punishment be a detriment at all or would not even the thought of death phase some of these individuals?

[Gr8Stang]

Certainly makes me more leery about travelling into/around T.O. And though it seems that most of the killing is gang on gang related, the fact that bullets don't know who's who, innocent people and their families are becoming victims.

Seems like no one really has a solution other then throwing more police ($$) at it. The root cause of this behaviour, don't really know, but guessing that young people with no future, guidance, opportunity/direction are being led and/or forced into these gangs by peer pressure or maybe threats?

[hammerhead]

...but load Mustangs, gotta put a stop to that....lol

[Chinga]

C.A.R.D.I.N.G.

regardless of what Desmond Cole and his cult of Victim Industry Executives say....when the politicians got rid of carding....the gangsters armed up

here's the way it works.....the cops know who the dirtbags are...but if they don't arrest these bastards to the letter of the law, then some shitball lawyer gets to throw down gobs of race-based bullshit to get these assholes back on the street

when carding was legal...the gangsters left the guns hidden while they were out on the street because they knew the coppers would get them.....so when these rhode scholars got into beefs on the street they had to handle themselves somewhat like normal humans.....or at least leave the scene to go and get their gun and by the time they return there's nobody left to shoot

with carding gone...they carry 24/7...and they apparently don't think shooting people is a big fucking deal

like I said....the cops know who these guys are...they just need a system that allows them to properly arrest, convict and lock the bastards up for a long fucking time.....and if we had that....then the likes of Desmond Cole etc would be looking for different job

This is exactly right. Carding also allowed Police forces to keep tabs on the criminal element by linking these people together through the collection of intelligence. So and so would be stopped say in Scarborough and then again in Etobicoke and other places allowing Police to see the criminal "web". Sadly even returning the practice of carding will not deter these shitheads and will serve only to delay the inevitable. We all know what needs to be done but I bet not one politician or judge has the stomach to do it. There are also the dirtbag lawyers and SJW's that petition for light sentences and stays at the "Hilton" for all offenders. We are being too hard on criminals you know

In the interim all criminal elements should be provided with "free" shooting lessons so they can improve their aim so as not to injure, maim or kill any innocent persons nearby.

Below is some truth on how our "legal" system "worked" for this shithead Leigh Ming who stabbed another man to death on January 5th in a MTHC building. His victim was most likely also a POS. DO NOT open the link if you are having a good day as it will only piss you off...

A preview of some his work prior to opening the link.
*Sentenced to two years less a day on top of 256 days of pre-trial custody for robbery and failing to comply convictions in Newmarket in 2013.
*Two years ago, he was convicted of possession of a firearm and received time served — 45 days pre-sentence custody — and a $10 fine. Yes a phucking TEN DOLLAR fine.
*January 2014, he pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit an indictable offence (an armoured truck robbery) and received a suspended sentence, 18 months probation on top of time served.
*Also has convictions for assaulting his girlfriend and then breaching conditions to stay away from her.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...micide-of-2019

[Screw]

Armen that’s a tough gig you got man