Recent experience at the dealer in my F150

[Laffs]

Exactly......I do get losing your mind over someone trying to rip you off, but you are the same dudes that just "take" whatever mortgage rate the monkey in the branch decides to give you without escalating it to head office too, which means even at an extra 10-20 bps you're paying tens of thousands more over the life of your mortgage and blissfully ignorant to it.

it's only because you're car guys that you know what it takes and want to save money. The average non-car guy household just pays the $1500 and moves on.

Work on all the other stuff that drains your wallet too, not just the extra .5 labor for guys that likely make less than you anyway.

I know this was meant to be an overarching statement and not specifically directed at anyone, but I'm definitely mortgage negotiation guy. Also your point is one of my major annoyances with friends and relatives. Not just mortgage rates but lending and fixed investment rates as well. It's crazy how much we work to make and "save" money but then once it gets to the financial institution level it's "guess that's how it is"

Working in a bank as my first job out of University was more educational and valuable than the 4 years I spent in post-secondary.

That said, yeah I'm still gonna argue labour on stuff I don't think I should pay labour lol....

[hammerhead]

I refuse a lot of work if I don't make what I want. - I gladly refer them to someone who will work for less. My favourite line from prospective customers is "But we really want you to do it" I just laugh and say take down the street pay less and be unhappy. If its not making money to justify my time and hard work there no point in opening the door.

I've also been known to say "just do it yourself"

[stangstevers]

I refuse a lot of work if I don't make what I want. - I gladly refer them to someone who will work for less. My favourite line from prospective customers is "But we really want you to do it" I just laugh and say take down the street pay less and be unhappy. If its not making money to justify my time and hard work there no point in opening the door.

I've also been known to say "just do it yourself"

Those aren't customers anyway, they're anti-value. People want Kobe Strip Steak at SPAM prices and at the end of the day someone is paying for that difference. The customer with quality cuts or the vendor with profitability. Both are unhealthy for the business. It's ok to cut grade but not quality and those who can't understand that aren't good customers. - Let them ruin some other brand.

[ZR]

With so many spouting across the internet what things should cost / what they claim to have paid, far too many drink the coolaid and take it as the truth.

[hammerhead]

Those aren't customers anyway, they're anti-value. People want Kobe Strip Steak at SPAM prices and at the end of the day someone is paying for that difference. The customer with quality cuts or the vendor with profitability. Both are unhealthy for the business. It's ok to cut grade but not quality and those who can't understand that aren't good customers. - Let them ruin some other brand.

With all respect I don't haggle either way if that's the cost I respect a persons need for and their education, commitment and need or reward - if i don't like the cost I look elsewhere or other alternatives - the difference between white collar and blue collar (I think I'm in the middle somewhere) is if I get a Better financial rate somewhere else, it is offered to me. I will be happy - if a white collar gets a better labour rate they may not be happy an I may cost them more in the end - its a different skill set up with different end result - I think in the future a highly creative and skilled individual will have more value than a highly educated individual especially with rate on how tech is changing everything as we know it.

[Darkhorse]

With so many spouting across the internet what things should cost / what they claim to have paid, far too many drink the coolaid and take it as the truth.

Agree with this too, everyone likes to say they got it for nothing or next to nothing, when things cost money and add up quick. Time is money too so when you built your car for half of what a shop charges, your 500 hours of time was in there too. Glad you have the time not everyone does.

[Screw]

It’s one thing to pay fair rate and then there’s gauging....when peeps backs against the wall far too easy for greasy fkrs to take advantage ! I see it too often and absolutely hate it when someone tries to pull that bs on me