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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenLips View Post
    I saw an interview with senator Robert Kennedy where he discussed big pharma immunity from prosecution. Vaccines administered during "emergency use" mandates are immune from lawsuits. This immunity is lifted when emergency use is lifted. If the vaccine gets rolled into "approved childhood vaccines" it is immune from lawsuits under normal circumstances. Things that make you go hmmm
    Regarding the authorizations; if you really want to see what Dr Fauci is all about, search the HIV/AIDS and the drug AZT fiasco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellow Yellow View Post
    Regarding the authorizations; if you really want to see what Dr Fauci is all about, search the HIV/AIDS and the drug AZT fiasco.
    There is a lot of misinformation on that topic especially coming from the red cap factions (whose previous generation refused to acknowledge or do anything from the top (Reagan admin) until it was widespread n terms of infections and deaths, and hard to ignore)....then they take a cancer drug and re-purposed it (still used today for HIV/AIDS treatment).

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    ^What a surprise, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92redragtop View Post
    There is a lot of misinformation on that topic especially coming from the red cap factions (whose previous generation refused to acknowledge or do anything from the top (Reagan admin) until it was widespread n terms of infections and deaths, and hard to ignore)....then they take a cancer drug and re-purposed it (still used today for HIV/AIDS treatment).
    The primary issue is the short circuited double blind clinical research, the fact AZT was extremely toxic, the fact he lied to Congress. There is documented evidence of this.

    And he has done it again with the mRNA therapies. This here is the BIGGEST reason I will not take these therapies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellow Yellow View Post
    The primary issue is the short circuited double blind clinical research, the fact AZT was extremely toxic, the fact he lied to Congress. There is documented evidence of this.

    And he has done it again with the mRNA therapies. This here is the BIGGEST reason I will not take these therapies.
    Again, is the documented evidence the actual footage or transcript or presented partially by another party (possibly partial and/or without context). There are agendas on all sides. The folks on one side on this were protesting the side effects of AZT (for HIV/AIDS specifically because it was already in use for years for cancer) but they were also protesting not having access to it because of Reagan's denial there was an issue (or that it didn't affect the heteros so not a problem).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92redragtop View Post
    Again, is the documented evidence the actual footage or transcript or presented partially by another party (possibly partial and/or without context). There are agendas on all sides. The folks on one side on this were protesting the side effects of AZT (for HIV/AIDS specifically because it was already in use for years for cancer) but they were also protesting not having access to it because of Reagan's denial there was an issue (or that it didn't affect the heteros so not a problem).
    You got a few hours? Because I can give you all the links you need.

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    Sure - but only the ones of direct video of testimony or the actual Congressional transcripts (nothing filtered through an outlet or where opinion has been added)

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    Saskatchewan and Quebec announced plans to lift COVID-19 restrictions Tuesday, saying it will increasingly be up to citizens to assess the risks they face from the virus.
    Prince Edward Island also outlined plans to end most restrictions early in April, with Premier Dennis King cautioning that the loosening is not a declaration of victory. "COVID is still with us, and it will be with us," he said.
    Saskatchewan is going the furthest, as Premier Scott Moe said the province will no longer require COVID-19 vaccine passports as of Monday and will not renew its indoor mask mandate when it expires at the end of March.

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    FILE - Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe speaks during the Saskatchewan Party 2021 Convention in Saskatoon, Sask., Saturday, Nov. 6, 2021. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Liam Richards



    Moe told reporters in Regina that the policy requiring people to show proof of vaccination or a recent negative COVID-19 test to dine at restaurants, go to bars or purchase liquor is divisive and has "run its course."
    He said the policy was warranted in the fall, when the province was facing the Delta variant of the novel coronavirus, but vaccines do not provide sufficient protection against Omicron transmission to justify it now.
    "During that Delta wave, I do believe that the benefits of this policy most certainly did outweigh the costs," Moe said. "But today, as we deal with a very different strain, the Omicron variant, the benefits of this policy no longer outweigh the costs."
    Moe said it will be up to people in the province to do their own "personal risk assessment" when deciding whether to attend events, or wear masks once the provincial mandate ends.
    Dr. Saqib Shahab, Saskatchewan's chief medical health officer, said hospitalizations in the province -- which now only releases COVID-19 data once a week -- are currently peaking or will peak soon.
    In Quebec, which has seen some of the country's strictest public health measures, Premier Francois Legault detailed a plan that would see most restrictions lifted by March 14.
    Starting Saturday, there will no longer be any legal restrictions on private gatherings, and other measures will be removed gradually, including a reopening of bars on Feb. 28 and full houses allowed in the province's largest hockey arenas as of March 14.
    Legault echoed Moe in calling on people to use their judgment about what is safe.
    "We'll have to learn how live with the virus," he told a news conference in Quebec City. "What does that mean? It means that each person will have to evaluate their own risks. 'I'm with how many people? How many have three doses? How many are over 60?' "
    But Health Minister Christian Dube said the province's vaccine passport system is staying, and interim public health director Dr. Luc Boileau said indoor mask wearing will remain mandatory in public spaces until at least March 14.
    In Prince Edward Island, the government will start to ease COVID-19 public health restrictions starting Feb. 17, as part of a three-step plan that will see an end to most restrictions around April 7, King said.
    Saskatchewan's Moe also called on the federal government to announce a plan to lift restrictions on federally regulated industries. Those comments came shortly after a Liberal member of Parliament said federal COVID-19 measures, such as vaccination mandates for travellers and civil servants, need to be re-evaluated and the public needs a clear road map for when restrictions will be fully lifted.
    Joel Lightbound, MP for a Quebec City riding, told reporters in Ottawa that he thinks his own government's policies are divisive and risk undermining public trust. Lightbound said governments shouldn't "demonize" people who have legitimate concerns about COVID-19 policies.

    "They're worried that measures which ought to be exceptional and limited in time are being normalized, with no end in sight, like vaccine passports, mandates and requirements for travellers," he said. "They're worried because they feel they feel it is becoming harder and harder to know where public health stops and where politics begins."
    Other provinces have said they are also looking at easing their COVID-19 measures. Alberta was to hold a news conference later Tuesday, while Manitoba and Ontario have said they are prepared to loosen restrictions in the coming weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZR View Post
    Saskatchewan and Quebec announced plans to lift COVID-19 restrictions Tuesday, saying it will increasingly be up to citizens to assess the risks they face from the virus.
    Prince Edward Island also outlined plans to end most restrictions early in April, with Premier Dennis King cautioning that the loosening is not a declaration of victory. "COVID is still with us, and it will be with us," he said.
    Saskatchewan is going the furthest, as Premier Scott Moe said the province will no longer require COVID-19 vaccine passports as of Monday and will not renew its indoor mask mandate when it expires at the end of March.

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    FILE - Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe speaks during the Saskatchewan Party 2021 Convention in Saskatoon, Sask., Saturday, Nov. 6, 2021. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Liam Richards



    Moe told reporters in Regina that the policy requiring people to show proof of vaccination or a recent negative COVID-19 test to dine at restaurants, go to bars or purchase liquor is divisive and has "run its course."
    He said the policy was warranted in the fall, when the province was facing the Delta variant of the novel coronavirus, but vaccines do not provide sufficient protection against Omicron transmission to justify it now.
    "During that Delta wave, I do believe that the benefits of this policy most certainly did outweigh the costs," Moe said. "But today, as we deal with a very different strain, the Omicron variant, the benefits of this policy no longer outweigh the costs."
    Moe said it will be up to people in the province to do their own "personal risk assessment" when deciding whether to attend events, or wear masks once the provincial mandate ends.
    Dr. Saqib Shahab, Saskatchewan's chief medical health officer, said hospitalizations in the province -- which now only releases COVID-19 data once a week -- are currently peaking or will peak soon.
    In Quebec, which has seen some of the country's strictest public health measures, Premier Francois Legault detailed a plan that would see most restrictions lifted by March 14.
    Starting Saturday, there will no longer be any legal restrictions on private gatherings, and other measures will be removed gradually, including a reopening of bars on Feb. 28 and full houses allowed in the province's largest hockey arenas as of March 14.
    Legault echoed Moe in calling on people to use their judgment about what is safe.
    "We'll have to learn how live with the virus," he told a news conference in Quebec City. "What does that mean? It means that each person will have to evaluate their own risks. 'I'm with how many people? How many have three doses? How many are over 60?' "
    But Health Minister Christian Dube said the province's vaccine passport system is staying, and interim public health director Dr. Luc Boileau said indoor mask wearing will remain mandatory in public spaces until at least March 14.
    In Prince Edward Island, the government will start to ease COVID-19 public health restrictions starting Feb. 17, as part of a three-step plan that will see an end to most restrictions around April 7, King said.
    Saskatchewan's Moe also called on the federal government to announce a plan to lift restrictions on federally regulated industries. Those comments came shortly after a Liberal member of Parliament said federal COVID-19 measures, such as vaccination mandates for travellers and civil servants, need to be re-evaluated and the public needs a clear road map for when restrictions will be fully lifted.
    Joel Lightbound, MP for a Quebec City riding, told reporters in Ottawa that he thinks his own government's policies are divisive and risk undermining public trust. Lightbound said governments shouldn't "demonize" people who have legitimate concerns about COVID-19 policies.

    "They're worried that measures which ought to be exceptional and limited in time are being normalized, with no end in sight, like vaccine passports, mandates and requirements for travellers," he said. "They're worried because they feel they feel it is becoming harder and harder to know where public health stops and where politics begins."
    Other provinces have said they are also looking at easing their COVID-19 measures. Alberta was to hold a news conference later Tuesday, while Manitoba and Ontario have said they are prepared to loosen restrictions in the coming weeks.
    Quebec says it’s going to ease restrictions. But says it’s keeping the vaccine passport policy in place. So in other words No it’s not.


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    Make an announcement….but plan no real changes, lol.
    I must say I was not expecting anything to happen in Quebec for a while, despite how many truckers live there

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