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ZR
05-27-2017, 07:38 AM
Feel for the fact she was in a serious collision, understand road clearing may have fallen behind (broken equipment or just because of conditions) but does the decision to venture out under winter driving conditions not fall under your responsible for yourself?

-- A judge made no errors in ruling that a young woman's devastating car crash occurred only because a municipality negligently failed to ensure the road was snow-free, Ontario's top court ruled on Friday
In upholding a $12-million award, the Court of Appeal found no reason to interfere with an earlier decision that Sudbury was liable for Lisa Marie Belanger's catastrophic injuries.
The case arose during a bitterly cold winter storm in November 2000. Belanger, then 20, was driving her red 1990 Mazda over an icy bridge on a busy two-lane road just northwest of the city. In a matter of seconds, the car began fishtailing, hit the side of the road, crossed the centre line and smashed into an oncoming school bus.
Belanger and her family sued the city and regional municipality for negligence. They argued local authorities had failed to keep the road in a reasonable state of repair.
Evidence at trial was that maintenance crews had salted the road more than three hours before the crash, but the salt had become ineffective because of falling snow.
In November 2015, Superior Court Justice Robbie Gordon found the region 100 per cent liable for Belanger's injuries after deciding the crash had occurred only because the road was snow-covered and slippery due to improper maintenance.
"The (region) failed to meet its maintenance-quality standards when the road, in a winter storm event, was left without maintenance activity for over three hours," Gordon ruled. "That lack of maintenance activity resulted in snow-packed and slippery road conditions. That those conditions could result ought to have been known by the (region's) employees."
Sudbury appealed on the basis that it had taken reasonable steps to keep the road safe, and could not have known it wasn't. The region also argued Gordon was wrong to find Belanger bore no responsibility at all for what happened to her.
In dismissing the challenge, the Appeal Court leaned on Gordon's finding that the region had violated its own winter road-maintenance standards, which called for plowing or salting at least every two hours during a storm. However, evidence was that more than three hours elapsed because of several equipment failures and, in fact, the bridge was only re-salted after the crash.
"It is not the function of this court to re-try the case or, absent reversible error, to second-guess the trial judge's factual findings," the Appeal Court said. "The important point is whether the trial judge considered, as he was obliged to do, the reasonableness of the maintenance works in fact carried out."
The higher court noted that the municipality's liability did not rest simply on the fact that the road was in poor condition, but on its failure to address the serious hazard that developed. As the trial judge found, the court said, the region failed to respond to the risk in a reasonable fashion under all the circumstances.
The Appeal Court also found no reason to interfere with Gordon's ruling that Belanger had only lost control of her car because of the poor road conditions and therefore bore no liability in the crash.
"There was no evidence at trial of any action or omission attributable to Ms. Belanger that caused her car to cross the centre line of the highway," the Appeal Court said. "There was also no evidence that Ms. Belanger was inattentive to, or distracted from, her driving, or that the condition of her car contributed in any way to the accident."

WTF
05-27-2017, 07:54 AM
OK....I think I got it straight

so the City of Toronto says it will clear snow off the street when we get 5cm or more

so if I crash my car on an uncleared road with 4cm of snow on it...completely my fault

but...if I crash my car on an uncleared road with 6cm of snow on it.....completely the city's fault

have I got this right?

fucking ridiculous

83 5.0
05-27-2017, 09:55 AM
I always wonder where personal responsibility ever comes in. Did she have snow tires, skill level etc.
I suspect her injuries exceeded her insurance coverage and have enough money to cover her, she had to sue.
Unbelievable that it has been 15 years plus winding it's way through the courts. The lawyers will probably skim 90% of the settlement.

5.4MarkVIII
05-27-2017, 10:12 AM
I suspect something like this will just lead to municipalities closing the roads any time it looks like a decent snow fall is coming.

Hutch
05-27-2017, 10:26 AM
I suspect something like this will just lead to municipalities closing the roads any time it looks like a decent snow fall is coming.

Yep. Don't even bother. Wait until spring to drive again

ZR
05-27-2017, 12:23 PM
These comments from the judge to me, seem ridiculous. No matter how much salt we spread or how many times plows push the snow off, roads are going to get icy and at times snow covered. It's already bad enough the powers to be are worried shitless about law suits and are spraying brine n dumping salt when most us would agree it's not warranted, just wait till you see how much they start dumping now.
Next law suits will be about loss of traction on that slippery swill or chunks of undissolved road salt.


“I have little difficulty finding that the condition of the road amounted to a state of non-repair. Roads are not meant to be slippery. Although a snow-covered and slippery road may be safely travelled by many, it poses a significant risk to all users because it renders them less able to make the many adjustments required for safe driving,” Judge R.D. Gordon wrote.

Old Fart
05-27-2017, 12:34 PM
Maybe Sudbury needs to find a better lawyer...just saying.

RedSN
05-27-2017, 06:53 PM
I thought the thread title said "dangerous president".

Spock
05-27-2017, 08:50 PM
It all comes down to the towns own set standards that were not adhered to.

They should just change the standard to every 8 hours to clear the road

Stephen06GT
05-27-2017, 10:51 PM
In November 2015, Superior Court Justice Robbie Gordon found the region 100 per cent liable for Belanger's injuries after deciding the crash had occurred only because the road was snow-covered and slippery due to improper maintenance.[/FONT][/COLOR]

100% liable. Did any other cars crash (besides hers and the one she hit)? If so, are they 100% liable for them too?

Ponyryd
05-27-2017, 11:28 PM
Did that say 12 million dollars? Is the girl okay?

Harbinger
05-28-2017, 01:09 AM
I suspect something like this will just lead to municipalities closing the roads any time it looks like a decent snow fall is coming.
They do this in a state in the USA. I read that they would actually charge you if you were caught driving on a snow day. I don't recall which state though. Either way would be awesome if they did that here.

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Clutt gt
05-28-2017, 06:32 AM
They do this in a state in the USA. I read that they would actually charge you if you were caught driving on a snow day. I don't recall which state though. Either way would be awesome if they did that here.

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That would be awful here. My bank does not care if there is snow on the roads.
If roads are closed and we can't get to work our bills are still there and have to be paid.
Schedules still have to be met. It's snow it's Canada get you and your vehicle prepared to travel in winter on slippery roads and take some dam responsibility for your self. If you don't feel comfortable then stay home. But this is utter horse shit and typical blame every one but me mentality.
My wife wrote off her van this past winter guess what. Her fault.
Slippery roads over 30 accidents that morning in Bowmanville, but 1000s of people didn't crash. So ya her fault.
To fast for condition of the road vs the traction of her tires.

ZR
05-28-2017, 07:28 AM
By the way the story reads, hurt badly which may very well mean she requires ongoing care.

Intmdtr
05-28-2017, 10:16 AM
that's it....I am going to court. I bet I could find some shyster lawyer who would be willing to dig up something for me.....

.....now to find out what that something could be......

ZR
05-28-2017, 10:19 AM
^ Exactly where our society has stumbled n fallen to.

Intmdtr
05-28-2017, 10:23 AM
maybe sue ford because the mustang has to many idiots that buy them and run them into crowds when leaving meets....and now I am afraid to drive mine for the fear it could do the same thing? I have PTSD and severe anxiety because of it and can't even leave my house.

ZR
05-28-2017, 10:38 AM
Roger that..........bet you win.

Stephen06GT
05-28-2017, 11:55 AM
For your legal needs call: Dewey Cheatam and Howe.

Clutt gt
05-28-2017, 10:36 PM
I'm going to sue the porn industry for setting unrealistic expectations of contractors.

Ponyryd
05-28-2017, 11:44 PM
I'm going to sue the porn industry for setting unrealistic expectations of women.

fixed that for ya, lol.