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ZR
09-27-2017, 08:49 AM
Uber is threatening to cease operations in Quebec next month if the province doesn't back down on new, stricter rules regulating the ride-hailing service.
Jean-Nicolas Guillemette, director general of Uber Quebec, said the service will shut down Oct. 14 if nothing changes.
On that date last year, the two sides agreed to a pilot project (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/uber-pilot-project-starts-1.3818288) that allowed the ride-hailing company to operate.
Quebec Transport Minister Laurent Lessard agreed to renew that pilot project last Friday, but with stricter conditions including a requirement that drivers undergo 35 hours of training, the same amount as traditional taxi drivers.
Guillemette said Tuesday Uber wasn't consulted about the changes, which they consider to be major, and that the requirement is too much for drivers who only work part time.
"What the [Transport] Ministry has announced is an attempt to impose old rules on a new technological model," he told a news conference.
Quebec is the only Canadian jurisdiction where Uber operates that requires drivers to do training, he said. Previously, they had to do 20 hours.
https://i.cbc.ca/1.4308015.1506452707!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_620/quebec-uber-20170926.jpgUber employees listen to Jean-Nicolas Guillemette, Uber Quebec's general manager, during Tuesday's news conference. (Ryan Remiorz/Canadian Press)

The government also wants Uber drivers to have criminal background checks done by police, instead of private companies that do them now, and have their cars inspected every 12 months.
Guillemette insisted the company doesn't want to negotiate through the media. He told reporters he wants Quebec to renew the original pilot project with the old training requirements, and resume negotiations afterward.


What's in the original Uber deal? (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/uber-deal-in-detail-1.3756402)

This isn't the first time Uber has threatened to leave. Last year, Guillemette said if the government regulated the company as it regulates taxis, Uber would have to shut down (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/uber-quebec-legislation-1.3565706).
'Bye-bye, I don't care'

Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre, who is running for re-election Nov. 5, said he took issue with Uber's bullish ways, saying the company is "condescending" and has attitude when it doesn't get what it wants.
Coderre said he felt cynical when he watched Guillemette's announcement this morning, which he noted was soft in its delivery but "the message remains the same."
He sees it as a bargaining chip and said Uber doesn't want to increase its training because it doesn't want to have to do the same in other cities.
"Bye-bye, I don't care," Coderre said on CTV, later repeating the line and explaining during the news conference that "that means, don't threaten me."
"If you want to threaten me, I've got some Irish blood. I'm sorry, I mean, I've got my own way."
He said 15 extra hours of training that could be done online should not be a big deal, suggesting drivers split the 35 hours into seven sessions of five hours each.
"I mean, with all the time that we're passing on Twitter and Facebook," Coderre said. "If they're against that kind of training, well, I'm sorry, but tough luck. I'm not gonna cry, I'm not gonna lose any sleep."
Transport minister 'firm' on new rules

Lessard, the provincial transport minister, reacted to the announcement Tuesday at the National Assembly, telling reporters, he's not backing down on the new rules, but that he's open to drivers being able to take the training online.
"Honestly, I'd be very surprised that a big company, a multinational that developed an application like this, is not able to up the ongoing training of its members," he said.
"We're not in negotiations mode, we did that last year," Lessard added, noting that there had been several instances during the pilot project with Uber drivers not conforming to the original rules agreed upon.
Guy Chevrette, spokesperson for the Quebec taxi coalition, said Uber is pulling out of Quebec would mean more government interest in helping the traditional taxi industry modernize.
But he said he's not ready to claim victory yet, pointing out it's possible the company is using the threat of leaving as leverage.
"All their profits were made illegally, and on the backs of people who legally, bought a very expensive permit that was devalued, I would say in some cases by 50 per cent," he said.
https://i.cbc.ca/1.3792330.1475699891!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_620/que-taxi-strike-20161005.jpgA taxi driver holds up a sign in opposition to the presence of Uber in the province of Quebec during a demonstration in Montreal on Wednesday, Oct. 5, 2016. (Graham Hughes/Canadian Press)

Since UberX, which allows non-professional drivers to shuttle passengers around in their own personal cars, arrived in Montreal in 2014, the service has been met with opposition from politicians and taxi drivers alike.
But the conflict ramped up in earnest last year, as the taxi industry increased its efforts to force the province to act.
Quebec's taxi drivers have been vocal against Uber, saying the government's agreement to even have a pilot project amounts to a betrayal (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/uber-quebec-deal-taxi-drivers-1.3752582).
Similar demands made in other cities

They blame Uber for what they say is the decreasing value of their taxi permits, which can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, and have held protests in downtown Montreal, using their cars to block busy city streets.


'Angry' taxi drivers block Montreal streets over Uber deal (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/uber-taxi-protest-montreal-1.3791892)

London's transport regulator on Friday stripped Uber of its licence to operate (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/london-uk-uber-licence-1.4301914), affecting over 40,000 drivers in a huge blow to the taxi app. The company is appealing that decision.
Markus Giesler, a marketing associate professor at the Schulich School of Business in Toronto, said he doubts Uber will follow through on the ultimatum. It's made similar demands in other cities and is still operating in them, he said.
Giesler looked at how Montreal consumers were reacting to the news on Twitter and said he was surprised to see many in favour of it leaving.

RedSN
09-28-2017, 08:40 AM
The established regulations require that taxi drivers received 35 hours of training and a background check. Uber drivers ARE taxi drivers, they should abide by the same regulations and they SHOULD have a license. What is a "non-professional driver"?

As an app, UBER is a great idea for dispatching cabs. But the product, the driver service, should abide by the same standards we have come to expect of a taxi.

What if UBER's next app was UBER-Bus where "non-professional" drivers would shuttle your kids to and from school?
UBER-air?

I'm now being facetious, but my point is: anybody providing a service to the public that potentially can put them at risk, should be a professional, and licensed as such.

ZR
09-28-2017, 08:43 AM
^ Valid points that just plain make sense.

5.4MarkVIII
09-28-2017, 12:51 PM
The established regulations require that taxi drivers received 35 hours of training and a background check. Uber drivers ARE taxi drivers, they should abide by the same regulations and they SHOULD have a license. What is a "non-professional driver"?

As an app, UBER is a great idea for dispatching cabs. But the product, the driver service, should abide by the same standards we have come to expect of a taxi.

What if UBER's next app was UBER-Bus where "non-professional" drivers would shuttle your kids to and from school?
UBER-air?

I'm now being facetious, but my point is: anybody providing a service to the public that potentially can put them at risk, should be a professional, and licensed as such.

I truly believe that Uber's long term plan is self driving cars. The app will be the same but instead of another diver it's just a car that shows up

By starting the way they did they can be first in line and ready to go once the tech is there and approved.

In the end they don't care about licencignand back ground checking drivers because that soon won't be an issue.
It would not surprise me to see them drop a city or two if there are being too difficult.
They have more than enough of a base to work out bugs and test things and once they are driverless they don't need to worry about licensing and background checks.

And that will be the day taxis are obsolete

92redragtop
09-28-2017, 01:12 PM
The established regulations require that taxi drivers received 35 hours of training and a background check. Uber drivers ARE taxi drivers, they should abide by the same regulations and they SHOULD have a license. What is a "non-professional driver"?

As an app, UBER is a great idea for dispatching cabs. But the product, the driver service, should abide by the same standards we have come to expect of a taxi.

What if UBER's next app was UBER-Bus where "non-professional" drivers would shuttle your kids to and from school?
UBER-air?

I'm now being facetious, but my point is: anybody providing a service to the public that potentially can put them at risk, should be a professional, and licensed as such.

Not that far out a thought - we were approached during the summer by someone who setup a company to offer flight services in Canada and US. He claimed he had pilots with planes ready to go and would expand over time (as the service). We said no and then he spent a month afterwards trying to manoeuvre us to get involved....looks like he's gone away for now.

WTF
09-28-2017, 02:31 PM
fuck uber

92redragtop
09-28-2017, 04:11 PM
I think the City of London (UK) pulled their licence this week (or said they would).

92redragtop
09-28-2017, 04:44 PM
Uber has previously said they want to move to self-driving cars. I saw their self driving test cars in San Francisco last month.

G-ForceJunkie
09-28-2017, 05:35 PM
I think it's crazy the hoops Uber is being asked to jump through. If you want a trained driver, take a taxi. No one is forcing you into an Uber. If you're a really bad driver for Uber, no one is going to get in a car with you after the first few times anyways. I don't see why people think an Uber and a taxi need to be the same.