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[ZR]

Seems like manipulating the Championship points in my eyes.

[Uncle Buck]

^^ Agreed

I feel bad for the fans at the venue who toughed out the weather only to see two parade laps.

[Stephen06GT]

What a joke. Do the race on Monday for crying out loud.

[ZR]

Felt a whole bunch like the never ending "make it up as they go" bull crapola Nascar dishes out on a very reg basis.

[xeninworx]

I don’t think they could do it Monday as there wouldn’t be enough staff at Spa.

[92redragtop]

What a joke. Do the race on Monday for crying out loud.

I'm not sure why they don't have this contingency like NASCAR - not sure if it's due to travel between countries race to race or ? I was at Silverstone in 2018 for a MotoGP race and it poured - all they had was a BMW M4 and a guy on a bike riding around the track for a few hours before they called the race off completely. Ticket was refunded but I would have gone back the next day if they tried to run it then.

[Stephen06GT]

I don’t think they could do it Monday as there wouldn’t be enough staff at Spa.

The most wealthy racing series on the planet and they don't have a contingency plan for a rain day is just stupid.

[xeninworx]

The most wealthy racing series on the planet and they don't have a contingency plan for a rain day is just stupid.

Yeah it’s sucks but they don’t own the venues or staff them. The marshals and stewards are just weekend part time jobs for people who have Monday to Friday jobs.

[Stephen06GT]

Yeah it’s sucks but they don’t own the venues or staff them. The marshals and stewards are just weekend part time jobs for people who have Monday to Friday jobs.

If F1 charged each team 0.05% of their annual budget for occurrences like yesterday, they could cover the costs. If the fund is not used it can be returned at the end of the season.

[Zippy]

If F1 charged each team 0.05% of their annual budget for occurrences like yesterday, they could cover the costs. If the fund is not used it can be returned at the end of the season.

get that logic outta here.........

[Zippy]

You'd think the teams would have enough staff at the track to become flag marshals for 90minutes to run a race on a Monday.
Each team only has like 25+ people there lmao.

[xeninworx]

If F1 charged each team 0.05% of their annual budget for occurrences like yesterday, they could cover the costs. If the fund is not used it can be returned at the end of the season.

It’s not so much cost, it’s just having the staff there to have a safe race. Then there’s rescheduling. It’d probably be a nightmare just to move the race to the next day with such a short notice.

I don’t agree with the half points based on what spot you qualified in. Sure it’s great for Russell but if this happened for every single race going forward, then Red Bull wins it if Verstappen qualifies first for the upcoming races. But it’s not going to rain every weekend.

[1BAD92LX]

I think it takes at least 24 people to just change tires for pit stops. So they should have 1 extra guy for flagging lol
Did they give a reason why they decided what they did?

[xeninworx]

Bottas to Alfa.
Russell to Merc.

[xeninworx]

Wow. Just wow.

[Zippy]

You know what kills me about F1, it's suppose to be the pinnacle of 'road racing' and 'suppose' to be showing young drivers etc on how to race... but I don't even think the FIA knows what 'racing' is anymore.
Ridiculous to give max a penalty for next race.
So hamilton wrecks max at silverstone, gets a 10sec penalty, bottas accidentally wrecks acouple cars at Hungary in the wet, gets 5 grid penalty.

What are these rules, what are these penalty's? What is 'racing' anymore?

[Zutz2v]

You know what kills me about F1, it's suppose to be the pinnacle of 'road racing' and 'suppose' to be showing young drivers etc on how to race... but I don't even think the FIA knows what 'racing' is anymore.
Ridiculous to give max a penalty for next race.
So hamilton wrecks max at silverstone, gets a 10sec penalty, bottas accidentally wrecks acouple cars at Hungary in the wet, gets 5 grid penalty.

What are these rules, what are these penalty's? What is 'racing' anymore?

I feel the same, I think Hamilton is clearly in the wrong. He came the paddock and challenged.


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[Zippy]

LOL
I love this man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgAOAr2Gh_c

[ZR]

Gets my vote.

[xeninworx]

Gonna be an interesting start to the race today. Once again, great job from George Russell.

[ZR]

Looking forward to it.

[xeninworx]

That was not the ending I was expecting.

[1BAD92LX]

Heartbreaker for Norris. On the other hand, it should rain every race it makes it more exciting.

[ZR]

Team should have forced him in for tires, still a shame.

[Zippy]

what a race

[xeninworx]

Like Brazil 2008 all over again when Hamilton won his first championship.

[Uncle Buck]

That race was time well spent. A real nail biter. Such a shame Norris didn't come in. Hindsight is 20/20.

It amazing how the intermediate tires bite the wet.

[redo75]

Someone who was running the team should have given Norris the command to come in for tires. Not usually up to the driver's to order a move like that, mostly a request.

[Zutz2v]

That race was time well spent. A real nail biter. Such a shame Norris didn't come in. Hindsight is 20/20.

It amazing how the intermediate tires bite the wet.

They’re literally racing slicks right ? I was listening to the commentators and they said straight out “ Bambi on ice “ and I wasn’t shocked when I seen it. Still a shame for Norris, would have been nice to see him upset Hamilton. Surely didn’t see max coming in second position. And screw Carlo Sainz while we’re on the subject lmao


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[Zippy]

Botas finally had a good race!!!!!

[ZR]

He drove one hell of a race.

[xeninworx]

They should have kept Lewis out. Would have been a place higher.

[Zutz2v]

They should have kept Lewis out. Would have been a place higher.

Think he would have lasted with those tires ?


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[xeninworx]

Think he would have lasted with those tires ?


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Yeah. By lap 50 Leclerc was 10 seconds behind. If he could block Perez and Leclerc he could have kept 3rd place. Worst case he gets passed and gets 4th.

[Zutz2v]

Yeah. By lap 50 Leclerc was 10 seconds behind. If he could block Perez and Leclerc he could have kept 3rd place. Worst case he gets passed and gets 4th.

Doing that would be risking safety no ? He could easily puncture a tire and no finish ?


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[xeninworx]

Doing that would be risking safety no ? He could easily puncture a tire and no finish ?


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Yeah but also Ocon made it to the end with 1 set of tires. Lewis is exceptionally good at tire management.

[Zippy]

Lewis should of done what he was told and pit when everyone else did. He would have just driven by these guys.

[ZR]

^ Yup.

[N89]

Race is about to start!!
Hopefully Max and Lewis don’t take each other out on the first corner and we get a good race.

[N89]

It was a good race, I thought Lewis was going to get it but Max pulled it off.
If they keep this up, it should be an interesting last 5 races to the championship.

[ZR]

I thought Merc had the winning strategy.

[xeninworx]

I thought Merc had the winning strategy.

Had they pitted earlier instead of letting Max doing fastest laps then they could have. I think they should not done a 2 stop. The tires weren’t wearing down that much and Lewis could have definitely gone to the end. He may have won or may have gotten 2nd place, which he did anyway.

[Uncle Buck]

Sure was a nail biter at the end. Would be nice if there were more drivers right at the top. It’s been the MaX and Lewis show long enough.

[Zippy]

I hope the next years car makes it so that they can drive a lot closer to each other without burning off their tires.
Amazing turn out yesterday at the track, just amazing.

[ZR]

Lots of drama yesterday with Hamilton to the rear of the Quali race then working his was so far forward plus he has a grid penalty today for the power plant change. Bottas did a phenomenal job getting then staying out front.

[xeninworx]

Hamilton blasted through everyone. And that was just 24 laps.

[ZR]

Impressive.

[xeninworx]

So technically Hamilton moved up 25 spots.

[ZR]

Sure looks like officials dropped the ball on potential Max investigation today where he and Hamilton ended up off track.

[Uncle Buck]

Perhaps the FIA is backing off a bit after being so anal early in the year and hearing fan backlash.

Sure looked like a penalty for Max was justified from the camera angles I saw.

That merc sure was fast and completely compliant according to merc engineers. I wonder if any of them worked on the Volkswagen TDI. lol

[Zippy]

I again am confused at what is racing, and what is a penalty.
The FIA has just given racers around the world the green light, that it is okay to send it into a corner, miss the apex, then just drive straight.

[ZR]

^ They most certainly did. If it's a rule, ENFORCE IT, if it's not, quit talking like it is.

[xeninworx]

Verstappen being aggressive again. Also the weaving afterwards.

[ZR]

Both against what we "thought" we knew as "the rules".

[xeninworx]

https://youtu.be/5rl0Mt9PmQM

https://youtu.be/5rl0Mt9PmQM

[xeninworx]

Not sure why the embed is not working.

Clearly Verstappen didn’t attempt to turn.

[Zippy]

now, i'm no pro driver, but i think you gotta turn the wheel more then that on the inside of a driver
:dragster:

[xeninworx]

now, i'm no pro driver, but i think you gotta turn the wheel more then that on the inside of a driver
:dragster:

Or at least slow down to hit the apex since he’s not on the racing line.

[ZR]

Mercedes have requested a review into the Turn 4 incident between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton at Interlagos.
It comes as a result of the newly-released footage of Max Verstappen’s forward-facing on-board camera (https://www.planetf1.com/news/missing-max-verstappen-on-board-footage-released/) at the time of the close call between he and Hamilton, as that angle was not available to the stewards when they decided no investigation was necessary as the two drivers went off the road at Turn 4.

[ZR]

Yup, digital footage was not available......................for fuck sakes, at least come up with a decent lie.

[xeninworx]

Yup, digital footage was not available......................for fuck sakes, at least come up with a decent lie.

Apparently they didn’t have the onboard video available at the time.

[1BAD92LX]

That didn’t look intensional at all….:goodone:

[ZR]

No doubt in anyone's mind F1 does not want Merc to take the title this year.

[G-ForceJunkie]

Are y'all forgetting about that time at Silverstone that Hamilton ran wide, took out Verstappen and went on to win the race?

[Stephen06GT]

F1 and NASCAR must have read the same book "How to Run a Racing Organization for Dummies".

[xeninworx]

Are y'all forgetting about that time at Silverstone that Hamilton ran wide, took out Verstappen and went on to win the race?

He didn’t run wide. He was on the inside line and Verstappen was on the outside line and Verstappen ran into him trying to hit the apex. Hamilton did get a penalty for it and lost places because of it, but still won.

[N89]

This reminds me of when Jimmie Johnson was winning all the Nascar championships, Nascar tried everything possible to stop him and it didn't work.
F1 is doing the same thing, they are doing everything they can to get a new champion this year.

This may back fire on them, i think they woke the Bear.

[xeninworx]

I don’t care who wins the constructors championship, as long as it’s not Red Bull. They’re not racing enthusiasts or a car maker. They put their name on everything, sport and non sport. They’re just there to advertise their energy drink. Every other team either makes cars or are enthusiasts. Same goes for Alpha Tauri since they’re Red Bull’s sister/brother/non-binary team. Sure Williams isn’t run by the Williams family anymore but they kept the name. The company wants to bring glory back to the Williams name.

As for driver’s championship, I’d rather it be Lewis than Max. He came from nothing and won 7 championships. No racing heritage. Nobody to show him how to race. Learned on his own and inspires others to follow their dreams. Max learned from his dad so it’s a given he’s good. Same with Rosberg. I’d rather root for the drivers that learned on their own to be the better drivers.

[Zutz2v]

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[Zippy]

Mods, can we ban this guy?
JK Jk
That's really cool, nice man

[xeninworx]

Nice. But it’s not as cool as a paper cutout of Lewis Hamilton.

27044

[Zutz2v]

Mods, can we ban this guy?
JK Jk
That's really cool, nice man

Jesus! We can banned for anything these days!

My cousin has the hookup for the F1 shirts if your interested.


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[xeninworx]

Penalties handed out this morning to Verstappen and Bottas. They both get grid drops.

[bluetoy]

Consistent grid drop penalties for passing yellow.. kind of. Except Sainz didn't get one?? No indication of yellow flag by FIA over the radio or on the dash of the cars. So still a mess for sure.

[Zippy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0IPrB2P6vI

[Zippy]

This track reminds me of the Isle of man motorcycle race for some reason.
1 mistake and it's over.
Max was on fire... till he locked up and then tried to save the lap?
Interested to see if the rear axle is okay or not.

[ZR]

Todays race should be a doozy.

[Zutz2v]

I’m hoping Max seals the deal.


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[Uncle Buck]

This track reminds me of the Isle of man motorcycle race for some reason.
1 mistake and it's over.
Max was on fire... till he locked up and then tried to save the lap?
Interested to see if the rear axle is okay or not.

That qualification lap was wild!

[ZR]

Rooting for the opposite team here. Unless they crash each other out again, one of us gonna be happy, other one not so much.

[bluetoy]

What a weird race. I'm a Lewis fan just because I despise Michael Schumacher. I had much respect for Max but as the season draws to a close he is becoming a dirty driver. Being aggressive is great but some of the stuff he's pulled in the last few races is becoming too much like the nonsense Schumacher did. Max isn't gaining any respect. I actually expect him to take Hamilton and even himself out in the next race so he wins the championship.

[ZR]

OMG, Max playing the victim card, really dude?

[Stephen06GT]

What a shit show.

[xeninworx]

Well that was a long race.

Even my wife dislikes Verstappen. Drives like he’s a got a chip on his shoulder.

Going to be an interesting last race of the season.

[N89]

Max learned from Horner on how to be a sore loser.
Both cry babies.
Hope we get a good clean last race, may the best man win.

[bluetoy]

Hamilton and Verstappen summoned to the stewards. Verstappen also summoned for breaching Article 2, Chapter IV, Appendix L of the FIA Sporting Code. "Causing a collision, repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the control (such as leaving the track) will be reported to the Stewards and may entail the imposition of penalties up to and including the disqualification of any driver concerned."

Also agree with the above. Horner is a bigger cry baby and sore loser than Max. He taught Max well

[bluetoy]

Update. There you go Max. Caught red handed. 10 more seconds plus 2 points on his super licence. Zero respect from me now. Too bad it didn't knock him down to 3rd place.

"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration. Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the first to cross the DRS [line]. However, the sudden braking by the driver of Car 33 was determined by the Stewards to be erratic and hence the predominant cause of the collision and hence the standard penalty of 10 seconds for this type of incident, is imposed."

[ZR]

If F1 does not literally step on Max's balls to get this under control, something no one wants or can take back is more likely vs not going to happen at the next race. They should be embarrassed this was allowed to get so out of control, makes them look like bumbling amateurs vs the pinnacle of auto racing league.

[xeninworx]

Hamilton fastest in FP2 and FP3.

[xeninworx]

The tires you use in Q2 will be the tire you start on in the race. Wtf? So Max in softs and Lewis in mediums.

Max on pole with Perez giving him a tow to get fastest lap. Lewis and Lando 2nd and 3rd. So Max needed a tow to be faster. But he’s on softs. I wonder if Toto is gonna send an email to Zak lol.

[xeninworx]

What kind of garbage was that?

[Zutz2v]

VERRRRRTTTAAAAPPPPPPPPEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNMMMMMMM BAAABBBBYYYYYYY


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[bluetoy]

Well the way the whole season has been this weird race fits perfectly.

[Stephen06GT]

What a shit show.

Again.

[ZR]

What a fucking disgrace.

[Zippy]

:facepalm:

[xeninworx]

The FIA literally gave the win to Max. First they say no unlapping under SC, then they say only the cars in between Lewis and Max can overtake. What about the rest of the cars? Why can’t they unlap themselves. Then all of sudden safety car comes in on the last lap.

Congrats to Max. However how that played out wasn’t fair.

[N89]

What a mess.
To be expected I guess.

[Zippy]

Should of red flagged the race if they wanted it go back green so badly.
What they did was pretty ridiculous. It made it so that Ham & Max were on an island by themselves. 3rd place Sainz had zero opportunity to even contend for the win... let alone the rest of the pack.

[ZR]

Yup, don't need to be a Max or Lewis fan to know what transpired was wrong on every level.

[ZR]

The FIA literally gave the win to Max. First they say no unlapping under SC, then they say only the cars in between Lewis and Max can overtake. What about the rest of the cars? Why can’t they unlap themselves. Then all of sudden safety car comes in on the last lap.

Congrats to Max. However how that played out wasn’t fair.

They 110% tossed the rules aside and made it up.

[ZR]

What a mess.
To be expected I guess.

They wanted a new Champion at all costs in spite of how ridiculous the whole thing turned out.

[ZR]

Should of red flagged the race if they wanted it go back green so badly.
What they did was pretty ridiculous. It made it so that Ham & Max were on an island by themselves. 3rd place Sainz had zero opportunity to even contend for the win... let alone the rest of the pack.

Yes, if they wanted an actual race at the end, red flag should have waved.

[1BAD92LX]

And the two massive dive bomb pass attempts by max.
And the zig zag multiple times on the straight to try to break the draft.
And max pitting for soft tires under the safety car and not loosing any positions somehow.
And…… so many things went in Max’s favour
I’m not a super fan of either driver but Lewis got screwed

[ZR]

^ You Sir have it 100% correct.
What a shame, could / should have been the race of all races.

[xeninworx]

Why did Checo retire? It’s not like they have to save anything for a next race.

Also, I don’t drink energy drinks, but if I did, it would not be a Red Bull.

[1BAD92LX]

Why did Checo retire? It’s not like they have to save anything for a next race.
Great question. Perez sounded surprised also.

[ZR]

Perez retired from the race with three laps to go under the late race-deciding safety car because Red Bull was worried his Honda engine was about to expire. That could have caused the safety car to stay out another lap and prevent Verstappen from overtaking Hamilton for the title

[Zippy]

I heard Latifi won Red Bull driver of the year award. :spitcoffee:

[Zutz2v]

And the two massive dive bomb pass attempts by max.
And the zig zag multiple times on the straight to try to break the draft.
And max pitting for soft tires under the safety car and not loosing any positions somehow.
And…… so many things went in Max’s favour
I’m not a super fan of either driver but Lewis got screwed

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/video.2021-abu-dhabi-grand-prix-title-rivals-hamilton-and-verstappen-touch-in-dramatic-race-start.1718945891510827566.html


This clearly shows Hamilton stealing position at the begging of the race and not giving position back to max. Abs no penalty was called for it. So ya both drivers had some advantages. Wasn’t Hamilton’s day.


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[Zutz2v]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/video.2021-abu-dhabi-grand-prix-title-rivals-hamilton-and-verstappen-touch-in-dramatic-race-start.1718945891510827566.html


This clearly shows Hamilton stealing position at the beginning of the race and not giving position back to max. Abs no penalty was called for it. So ya both drivers had some advantages. Wasn’t Hamilton’s day.


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[ZR]

He gave the advantage back, not the position (he was already out front when Max "sent it").

[Zutz2v]

He gave the advantage back, not the position (he was already out front when Max "sent it").

I don’t understand, could you clarify ?


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[1BAD92LX]

I agree with the no penalty. Max's move was soo late and forced Lewis off the track. Some one has to tell Max where the apex is when passing.

[ZR]

He didn't pass Max off track but yes he gained distance. Tap of the brakes saw distance restored, on with the race it is, confirmed by race control. If letter of the warning issued by F1 was truly in play, Max should have got slap on the balls for yet another of his full on send it moves n swiftly penalized. Being as open wheel cars, no way they can or should allow his continued bs to fly..............but they do.

[N89]

What pisses me off even more is that it wasn't even close.
Mercedes had the strategy and pace, they would have won it in a fair race, the way it should be.
I am a Mercedes fan and not necessarily a Hamilton fan, but respect to him and his father for the way they handled it, i guarantee you that Max would have acted like a child if he lost.

[N89]

Also- F1 is supposed to be car manufacturers fighting it out on a track.
Red Bull is not a car manufacturer, what's stopping any other non car maker from coming in to the sport and taking over as long as they can purchase or build their own engines (Anything can be done with money)

You should only be allowed to race if you manufacture and build cars that one can buy at a dealership.

[xeninworx]

Also- F1 is supposed to be car manufacturers fighting it out on a track.
Red Bull is not a car manufacturer, what's stopping any other non car maker from coming in to the sport and taking over as long as they can purchase or build their own engines (Anything can be done with money)

You should only be allowed to race if you manufacture and build cars that one can buy at a dealership.

That would also put out Haas and Williams whom I consider racing enthusiasts. Red Bull make energy drinks. They have their name on everything, even non motor racing events. They’re taking over the Honda F1 engines next year so we’ll see how that goes for them without the techs at Honda to help them.

[N89]

That would also put out Haas and Williams whom I consider racing enthusiasts. Red Bull make energy drinks. They have their name on everything, even non motor racing events. They’re taking over the Honda F1 engines next year so we’ll see how that goes for them without the techs at Honda to help them.



yeah, it would be sad to see Williams go for sure.

[G-ForceJunkie]

I'm fine with Hamilton not giving the place back at the beginning, but it flies in the face of what F1 has long considered an acceptable practice for passing in quick left/rights (even though it shouldn't be).

Hamilton got tons of breaks through-out the year that cumulatively added up to a whole lot more than what Verstappen got at the end of this race - the timing certainly worked out to make it a bigger moment for Verstappen though.

[Stephen06GT]

…

…Hamilton got tons of breaks through-out the year that cumulatively added up to a whole lot more than what Verstappen got at the end of this race - the timing certainly worked out to make it a bigger moment for Verstappen though.

This just goes to show how screwed up the “officiating” is in F1. What’s that old saying, “two wrongs don’t make a right”.

[Zutz2v]

Also- F1 is supposed to be car manufacturers fighting it out on a track.
Red Bull is not a car manufacturer, what's stopping any other non car maker from coming in to the sport and taking over as long as they can purchase or build their own engines (Anything can be done with money)

You should only be allowed to race if you manufacture and build cars that one can buy at a dealership.

Why should that matter ? Racing is racing, has nothing to do with the manufacturing sector. The sport has been and always will be about money. And good on any company that wants to source out the entire car on their own dime and somehow make it work. Takes balls.


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[xeninworx]

Hmm, I wonder why didn’t they play Lewis’ team radio during the tv broadcast.

https://www.skysports.com/amp/f1/news/12433/12494989/abu-dhabi-gp-lewis-hamilton-claimed-f1-title-deciding-race-was-manipulated-in-radio-message

[N89]

Why should that matter ? Racing is racing, has nothing to do with the manufacturing sector. The sport has been and always will be about money. And good on any company that wants to source out the entire car on their own dime and somehow make it work. Takes balls.


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No in this case it doesn't matter, but in my own opinion only car manufactures should be allowed to compete in what is the pinnacle of "Car Racing"
If Mercedes, McLaren, Ferrari etc decided to leave this sport, how long do you think F1 would last?

[Zutz2v]

No in this case it doesn't matter, but in my own opinion only car manufactures should be allowed to compete in what is the pinnacle of "Car Racing"
If Mercedes, McLaren, Ferrari etc decided to leave this sport, how long do you think F1 would last?

Like anything else it generates large amounts of money and is generally of great interest to the super wealthy. If those manufactures pulled out their would be someone to replace them. Porsche and Audi I believe want to join in as well ? Who knows how many other people want in.

I see what your saying about the big companies and how the affect the sport. But I look at like this, if Canada and the USA pull out of hockey, nobody will really care because then another country will just set up and take the place. It would suck for the sport but it will continue to go on.


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[xeninworx]

Weren’t a bunch of teams thinking about leaving a while back to make their own league?

[ZR]

What happened this year, exactly why leagues end up in splinters.

[ZR]

Wolff unsure over Hamilton’s F1 futureToto Wolff has admitted he is unsure about Lewis Hamilton’s future in Formula 1 revealing both he and his driver are “disillusioned” by the result of Sunday’s Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.

Hamilton lost on what would have been a record-breaking eighth world title after rival Max Verstappen passed him on the final lap of the race following a controversial decision by race stewards.

Mercedes and Wolff were left furious and lodged immediate protests against Verstappen’s win only to see them knocked back by the FIA.

They have since confirmed they won’t pursue any further appeal with Wolff’s attentions now turning to the future of his star driver and how he is feeling ahead of next season.

“I would very much hope that Lewis continues racing, because he is the greatest driver of all time,” he said.

“When you look at it from the point of view of the last four races, he dominated on Sunday. There was not even a doubt who won the race and that was worthy of winning the world championship.

"So we will be working through the events over the next weeks and months. I think, as a racer, his heart will say ‘I need to continue’, because he’s at the peak of his game. But we have to overcome the pain that was caused upon him on Sunday, also because he is a man with clear values, it’s difficult to understand that happened.”

“Lewis and I are disillusioned at the moment", he added. "Not disillusioned of the sport, we love the sport with every bone in our body, and we love it because the stopwatch never lies.

“But if we break that fundamental principle of sporting fairness and authenticity of the sport then suddenly the stopwatch doesn’t become relevant anymore because we are exposed to random decision-making, then it’s clear that you fall out of love with it."

[ZR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyVwenXDcYw&t=2196s

[xeninworx]

If Hamilton doesn’t come back then I’d hope that Vettel takes his spot.

[Zutz2v]

If Hamilton doesn’t come back then I’d hope that Vettel takes his spot.

That guy makes 50 mil a year plus sponsorship and endorsements. Don’t kid your self, he’s coming back


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[95GT_VERT]

I watched my first F1 race , albeit, reruns on TV of this season but I'm hooked and can't wait for the new season tje start .

[ZR]

Has also become a staple for us here.

[xeninworx]

The new cars are looking good.

[bluetoy]

I HATE the wheel covers. Get rid of them.

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[xeninworx]

And Masi has been replaced.

[Zippy]

"it's Ocon" LOOOOOOOOOOOOL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-2cQ72yoUo

[Zutz2v]

That guy makes 50 mil a year plus sponsorship and endorsements. Don’t kid your self, he’s coming back


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Well my comment Aged gracefully lol


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[xeninworx]

https://youtu.be/wBUJJlHR6PE

[Zippy]

Interested to see if they cancel/move the Russia race. Vettel just released a statement saying he won't race if they go there.

[92redragtop]

Interested to see if they cancel/move the Russia race. Vettel just released a statement saying he won't race if they go there.

Unsurprising, but it's cancelled.

[Zippy]

f1 made the right call? Shocking

[83 5.0]

Meant to post in a different thread

[ZR]

Disappointed but not at all surprised with F1s report. They basically admit there was some human error but point to no one and go on to say it did not affect the outcome of the final race. Watching the latest Drive to Survive it's easy to see how their poor decisions fell further and further from the actual rule book as the weeks and months passed, a perfect build up to the fiasco they called the Championship Race. As for the new season, looks like they've picked up right where they left off, track limits n enforcement already fucked up.
As for Xen's comment in the chat, I'll also be watching for anyone but Red Bull to win.

[xeninworx]

HA! Red Bull trying to be good as engine manufacturers.

[N89]

Great race!
Congrats to Ferrari, nice to see them being competitive again.
Karma is a bitch Red Bull.

[Zippy]

That was a great race to watch. The cars can race!!!!!

Looks good on Redbull.

[Uncle Buck]

Team red FTW

Nice to see Haas in the points

[bluetoy]

HaHa RB. Way to go K.Mag!

[ZR]

Karma is a bitch.
Congrats to Ferrari, heck of a show boys.

[Zutz2v]

I don’t see why you guys hate on Redbull. They did what any other team would have done in the same position especially Mercedes. It’s a cut throat business. If anything you can hate the directors.


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[ZR]

Susie states (https://readysteadycut.com/2022/03/11/formula-1-drive-to-survive-season-4-ending-explained-netflix-series/)on the Drive to Survive episode 9, “I can completely understand Christian. You know, he’s watched Toto winning for so many years. It’s clear that causes a certain resentment, and that’s competition. You know, it can get tough. It can get ugly.” She continues, “Sport is brutal. You need to be ruthless, competitive. But I don’t believe that to become successful you need to be an A**hole.”

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Susie_Wolff_Canada_2012_%2810%29.jpg

[ZR]

Reports say he's ok and been released from hospital.

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/2GzQOKO0/s1000/marshals-clear-up-after-a-cras.jpg

[ZR]

Bottas slowing to check on him after the crash.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSSEKO8Lsy8

[ZR]

https://static.independent.co.uk/2022/03/26/18/newFile.jpg?quality=75&width=982&height=726&auto=webp

[xeninworx]

I guess Haas can’t get another car put together in time as they’re only running 1 car but Fittipaldi is in attendance in case they did have a car.

[92redragtop]

That was a cringe inducing hit.

[ZR]

Testament to the safety F1 has built into the cars.

[N89]

It was a good race today, too bad Leclerc or Checo couldn’t make it happen.
Max crying the whole race as usual.
Mercedes still have a lot of work to do, but I hope they can improve and hopefully compete for the championship.

[Zippy]

Was a really good race. F1 got it right with the cars and how they can race.

[Uncle Buck]

Great race.

Max crying but at least he drove clean. Ferrari sure is piling on the points.

[xeninworx]

I think once Mercedes get their car in top shape, we’ll see a Hamilton vs Rosberg fight between Hamilton and Russell.

[Zippy]

Was a pretty boring race. The gap between the top 4 was huge today.
Incredible drive from Lewis though. I think that will spark him into getting back into form.

[ZR]

Bottas, great job as well.

[xeninworx]

That was boring. They need another DRS zone like in the tunnel. I don’t think anyone got a pass in the last 30 minutes of the race. Seems like the only way to win in Monaco is by pit strategy to undercut or overcut than actual passing.

[Stephen06GT]

That was boring. They need another DRS zone like in the tunnel. I don’t think anyone got a pass in the last 30 minutes of the race. Seems like the only way to win in any F1 race is by pit strategy to undercut or overcut than actual passing.

Fixed that for you.

[ZR]

Yet another boring BS race.

[Zippy]

Idk. I quite enjoyed it. Appreciating how fast they are going in the rain. They literally are putting the tire against the barrier in some of the entries to the corner. Not every race can have wild passing.

[xeninworx]

Wow. Glad Guanyu is okay. That was a crazy crash. Halo did it’s job again.

[Zippy]

best f1 race in quite some time

[xeninworx]

best f1 race in quite some time

Agreed. The battle for 2nd was exciting. Almost 5 cars going for it.

[ZR]

Loved the race but growing increasingly tired of the selective rules enforcement. Clear as day Perez forced Lewis off twice then gained a position when he himself went off track. Max did same forcing another car off to hold his position. Are the Stewards in charge or is Red Bull?

[xeninworx]

Loved the race but growing increasingly tired of the selective rules enforcement. Clear as day Perez forced Lewis off twice then gained a position when he himself went off track. Max did same forcing another car off to hold his position. Are the Stewards in charge or is Red Bull?

Just watched the highlights. Perez definitely forced Leclerc and Hamilton off track. Should have gotten a 5 second penalty.

[Zippy]

The fastest aston martin at silverstone today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbOyeMVaUCU

[xeninworx]

Was hoping for Vettel to stick around for another season or two. I wonder who’ll take his spot.

[ZR]

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[xeninworx]

Mr Saturday is back


https://youtu.be/EnJn7OSwiGM

[xeninworx]

damn you YouTube and no embedding.

[Zippy]

the qually we forget to record... and it sounds like it was a shocker. damnit!
Race should be excellent tmr

[xeninworx]

Ferrari don’t even know what they’re doing.

[ZR]

Decision making process at Ferrari..............would swear Red Bull was making em. LOL

[Zippy]

It's just sad at this point for Ferrari. Mercedes is looking like they might overtake them in the team champ by the time this season is over...

[xeninworx]

Decision making process at Ferrari..............would swear Red Bull was making em. LOL

Or Michael Masi.

[ZR]

^ True dat.

[Uncle Buck]

I’m not a huge Max and RB fan but geez. It’s seems if he finishes he wins even from P10 this time!

Must be a strategy position opening at Ferrari soon. Charles must be pissed.

[xeninworx]

Alonso to Aston Martin next year.

[Zippy]

I think even the broadcasters were a bit puzzled on how max ended up winning that race. He was running 4th at one point, 10seconds back, and by the time they pitted for the second time he was leading. Raw pace and ferrari throwing it out the window = easy wins

[ZR]

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[bluetoy]

Why does the FIA have to do things that make you scratch your head. Rules are pretty clear about points and length of the race. They showed it on TV a couple of times. So when the race ends they decide part way through the driver interview that they will award full points? Some weird interpretation of the rules. Seriously, Max Doesn't need 2 championships with a question mark beside them. Lets face it, Max was going to be Champion unless he took the rest of the season off and Leclerc won every race. Lol, Max earned and deserved the championship hands down but he did not deserve another cal that people will talk about.

[Zippy]

Max secured the championship based off of Leclerc getting a penalty or not at the end of the race, which he did, 5seconds. Which is why there was confusion during the interview.

[Zippy]

Congrats to max this season, he was light years ahead in pace every weekend. A deserving champion this year.

[ZR]

Agreed, not a Max fan but what a yr he's had.

[bluetoy]

Max secured the championship based off of Leclerc getting a penalty or not at the end of the race, which he did, 5seconds. Which is why there was confusion during the interview.

Plus they awarded full points. Which is the confusing part, Everyone was confused even Redbull. Pretty sure at reduced points Max would have to wait 2 more weeks to wrap it up.

Edit: So now they are saying Redbull broke the budget cap. They didnt say by how much but I bet Max would love to win one without any nonsense. I think it's a minor breach but still. Come on Redbull, get your shit together, no one stood a chance anyhow. Also Aston Martin was over budget. Maybe after trying to copy Redbulls car they decided to copy the budget. Lol.

[xeninworx]

Well it was inevitable that Max would win the WDC. RB have been found to be in a minor breach of the cost cap last year. Now we wait to see what penalties they will get. Either way, someone will complain.

[bluetoy]

Ok so I thought it was this year they were over budget cap. My mistake. Seems like a "minor breach" can be up to 5%. That means up to 7.25 million dollars. Maybe they used that money to pay Michael Massey for the championship. Either way that minor breach is a huge amount of money. The FIA will be under huge scrutiny for this. To little a penalty will result in every team making a minor breach. They will also add to the questioning of last years championship. They must stand firm and issue a stiff penalty. Even if it means the loss of the championship for Max. They will lose what little credibility they have left if they don't make an example out of Redbull. There is also rumblings of over spending by Redbull again this year. The soap opera to be continued.

Do I think Lewis deserved the Championship last year, Yes. MM broke a bunch of rules in the last race to ensure Max won.

[xeninworx]

I can’t see them stripping Max of the WDC last year. Probably get a bunch of other penalties.

[ZR]

Ok so I thought it was this year they were over budget cap. My mistake. Seems like a "minor breach" can be up to 5%. That means up to 7.25 million dollars. Maybe they used that money to pay Michael Massey for the championship. Either way that minor breach is a huge amount of money. The FIA will be under huge scrutiny for this. To little a penalty will result in every team making a minor breach. They will also add to the questioning of last years championship. They must stand firm and issue a stiff penalty. Even if it means the loss of the championship for Max. They will lose what little credibility they have left if they don't make an example out of Redbull. There is also rumblings of over spending by Redbull again this year. The soap opera to be continued.

Do I think Lewis deserved the Championship last year, Yes. MM broke a bunch of rules in the last race to ensure Max won.

Agreed.

[Zippy]

:spitcoffee:
31936

[Zippy]

Max confirmed POS this weekend. Guy is still salty over Monaco.

[ZR]

Sack of shit in my eyes.

[Uncle Buck]

Being of good character is not a requirement to be an F1 driver. If it was, half the field would be different.

[Old Fart]

LOL!

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1017256/1/max-verstappen-s-mother-launches-personal-attack-sergio-perez

[ZR]

Where is the surprise, prick came from somewhere.

[bluetoy]

Nice job Max, "do what ever he has to do to help Checo" Like maybe slow Leclerc down for a lap or two.. Max is a douche bag.

[ZR]

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[ZR]

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[Old Fart]

Ford is returning to Formula 1?

http://www.cars-power.com/ford-is-returning-to-formula-1/?fbclid=IwAR1WCVlVUUASKfpxTQMVLfnmiEcohREuVS6Nm-ck20EjJEcOhzI1u1dvevs

https://i.postimg.cc/XqGFC5SY/Ford-is-returning-to-Formula-1-02-edited-scaled.jpg

[Zippy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc7aLrnWbnw

[xeninworx]

Gonna have a proper race tomorrow.

[xeninworx]

Well that was disappointing.

[ZR]

One bright spot.

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[ZR]

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[xeninworx]

OMG. Hamilton to Ferrari next year.

[ZR]

Gotta wonder what the angle is?

[xeninworx]

Gotta wonder what the angle is?

Multiple reasons.

Mercedes has not given him and Russell a competitive car for 2 years. Only 1 win in 2 years whereas Ferrari have 2-3 I think? Sure Mercedes strategies are better than Ferrari but if you don’t have a car that can win against RB, then no strategy will win you the race when you get passed by a faster RB. At least in a competitive Ferrari, they can change the strategy to win. Ferrari and McLaren were very competitive. I’m sure he’s getting a paid a shitload too. Also being a multi year contract, he’ll get his feet wet next year and in 2026 when rules change, he’ll already be familiar with the team.

He’s also known Fred Vasseur since before F1 so he knows he’ll be in good hands. Fred is also trying to prove himself by bringing Hamilton in and IF Hamilton wins a championship with Ferrari, that would be huge. Wether it’s driver or constructor or both.

I think Leclerc knows he’ll be the #2 driver there when Hamilton arrives. I think he respects Hamilton too much to try and compete with him for top spot like he did when Vettel was there. At that time he was trying to prove himself to Ferrari. Doesn’t need to do so now with a multi year contract. Just has to get constructor points.

[xeninworx]

I also wonder if Bono is coming with him.

[ZR]

Results of the race on Sat, rewind pretty much every race from last year for details, ya it sucked ballz.

[xeninworx]

Verstappen had a 22.4 second gap to Perez by the end of the race using a car that has design influences on last years Mercedes. Newey is a genius. Gonna have to hear the Dutch national anthem every race.

[xeninworx]

https://f1exhibition.com/toronto/

I’ll go.

[ZR]

Well wasn't that an interesting race.
Max out with brake failure n fire.
Hamilton looses an engine.
Dude loosing his ride at Ferrari wins the race after recent surgery
Russell crashes on last lap then Alonzo receives a penalty.
Icing on the cake, Gunter's interviews.

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[Zippy]

Max is insane.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBqKIOc2ojo

[ZR]

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[xeninworx]

Landoooooooooooooooooo!

[bluetoy]

39356

[Old Fart]

^^^Hope you don't mind I enlarged your pic...couldn't see the prices, lol.

https://i.postimg.cc/90YX63wn/GMs-PMg-Hb0-AAtc-IW.jpg

[ZR]

^ YIKES

[ZR]

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