Help Needed: Push Rod Power & Drag Suspension Setups

[99chromegt]

I want to start looking into push rod setups for drag racing. I'd like to be in the 10s-11s range. Even though I can see the merit of LS based setups I don't want to have a mustang powered by one. Call me crazy but I really like the new edge body style and have that 04 Mach 1 chassis to use. I have been kicking around the idea of making it a dual purpose R/C -strip car but I'd rather make it strip only. The 99GT is good enough to run on the R/C for now. The Mach is a blank slate because it has NOTHING attached to it. My idea is to blend the motor of an old school 351W Mach with the newer body.
Setup I'm thinking of..please FEEL FREE TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS based on personal experience.

Front suspension / Front end
Team Z pushrod motor to new edge chassis swap tubular K member & coil overs
http://www.teamzmotorsports.net/product_p/tzm-kmk-swap2.htm
Spring rate? I have 12"/200 on the 99GT not sure what I should get for this setup.
Team Z 2" Drop Spindles
http://www.teamzmotorsports.net/product_p/tzm-2id-spindle.htm
Strange Front Brakes
http://www.teamzmotorsports.net/product_p/b4145wc.htm
Flaming River Manual Steering Shaft
http://www.teamzmotorsports.net/product_p/fr1509m.htm

Rear Suspension:
Team Z Grip Series #1
http://www.teamzmotorsports.net/Grip_series_1_p/tzm-gs1.htm

Rear end:
Team Z Mustang Bolt In Ford 9" Housing or just standard 8.8 housing??
http://www.teamzmotorsports.net/product_p/tzm-9bi.htm
Strange Pro Race 31 Spline Axles or with Spool??
http://www.teamzmotorsports.net/product_p/p1007.htm
What is a good diff?
Strange Rear Brake Kit
http://www.teamzmotorsports.net/product_p/b1706wc.htm
Other :
Brake master components
Steeda full length sub frame connectors
Custom built cage
Sheet metal dash
Seat / harness
And of bunch of brake & fuel lines, cables, wiring.. etc
Gauges, battery rear location box & shutoff switch
Fuel cell
Steering wheel
Brake & accelerator pedal assembly
Line lock +++??
Management system
And a bunch of other various parts to put the puzzle together.

Might be further ahead to buy a roller however I want to build this from the ground up.
Not sure if I want to build something to compete in a series with or just take to the strip and have fun for a few years. I will keep taking the 99 to the track for now with the goal in mind of this being a 2-3 year project. Chassis is coming into the garage this week so I can get started.

Now for the fun stuff:
Motor & transmission?
Everyone keeps saying on a push rod all you need is a good cam & heads to make a 10s-11s build.
What is a good cost effective route to go. Budget is just cash flow over a few years. Power goals... Whatever will get the above setup down the strip in 10-11s I want to stay N/A all motor. Must have a big lumpy cam. Transmission will be auto? Open to any suggestions.
This is not a money is no object kind of deal so no $30000 motor suggestions please. It's kind of a grand or two every few months until it's done type budget.

So thoughts?
Cheers
Andrew

[Slope]

What type of fuel?

Will this car see legit street duty?

Carb or EFI?

[Screw]

Subscribing , good luck man .

[99chromegt]

What type of fuel?

Will this car see legit street duty?

Carb or EFI?
No street duty and race fuel ok. Was thinking carb...

[Slope]

No street duty and race fuel ok. Was thinking carb...

408/427 351 Windsor based stroker (balanced obviously)
12/12.5:1
Custom solid roller
950/1050 Holley
Parker Funnel Web or Edelbrock Victor Jr/Super Victor
Trick Flow TW225 Race heads, (maybe 240s)
1-7/8" or 2" Primary longtubes
3" exhaust

This would be a sledgehammer, could go quite a bit more conservative...

[ZR]

Cheap n makes big h/p with heads n cam + the C6 is extremely stout.
Do it.

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_0602_big_block_ford_engine_build/

[Crash]

Buy a FOX.
I know a guy that has a few & maybe some race parts ....

[Slope]

Even though I can see the merit of LS based setups I don't want to have a mustang powered by one.

We just got closer right there...

[99chromegt]

Both power plants are good options. Are 460s a lot heavier than 351W?
Crash... I'll tag along with Frankie sometime soon and we will talk.

[Slope]

Both power plants are good options. Are 460s a lot heavier than 351W?

Yes.

[Screw]

Buy a FOX.
I know a guy that has a few & maybe some race parts ....

^ now we're serious

[Frankie]

How about that 351 with a big Turbo and EFi?

That should continue the "old and new" vibe very nicely.

[99chromegt]

How about that 351 with a big Turbo and EFi?

That should continue the "old and new" vibe very nicely.

That would be cool adding a turbo but I was thinking to keep it simple. I guess anything could be considered simple depending on the skill level of the"help" a case of beer will buy. Lol

[Intmdtr]

Andrew, even though I can't remember the full specs on my 20+ year old motor....

I built a 351w based flat tappet 408 stroker. Had big heads...for the time, eddy intake, 1050 carb, long tubes 1 7/8 primary's with 3" collectors. Motor I think was upwards of 11.5:1 compression. We used to run Av gas in it and the car ran low 12's on a crappy slick. On a 150 shot (yes I love nitrous) it ran a best of 11.4's. Now you take today's advancements, roller motor, better heads...etc....you can have a bad ass motor

[TurboFox]

So...i know you said no LS but just consider the following.

At the end of the day it comes down to "dollars per smile"

With a junkyard 6.0 cam only you will be able to make >420rwhp without even removing the heads. I paid $500 for my last 6.0. Bolt up a th350/converter for another grand and you have a good combo.

Building a car is one thing, but then maintaining it is another. A good set of SBF heads will cost more than the entire LS combo and then what happens when you break something?

If you want to start working on i say start with the chassis and take some time to think long and hard about a drivetrain and budget. Its a lot of fun to go fast and not spend a ton of money. As shit gets expensive it takes away from the enjoyment IMO.

This is coming from a guy that has torched a fair share of built SBFs

[Tailites]

Both power plants are good options. Are 460s a lot heavier than 351W?
Crash... I'll tag along with Frankie sometime soon and we will talk.

dont put the boat anchor 460 in there...351 stroker...forced...you will go faster than your target goal

look how quick Crash is N/A

[Speedtospare]

I agree with the 408. My motor setup is cheap. Non forged 4.6 4V, stock Cobra eaton @ 9 PSI, TB and a cold air. Motor is 100% stock. Car runs 11.50's on 17" drag radials in the summer heat. Should run low 11's on slicks. Mod motors probably are not the best choice as there expensive to build but it would save you changing to a pushrod K-member

[WHRDUGO]

For a budget and bang for the buck. A 351 will still be pricey by the time you get it dailed down to the speed you want. I have friends running high 8s low 9s and low 10s with that based motor and the foundation starts without the standard block. 5 figure engines easily on a simple carb set up.

Mod motors are the hardest on the budget. I probably have 8 grand tied into just the blower and supporting mods. But haven't been to the track since the swap.

Now a thousand dollar ls motor and a couple grand in a turbo set up and a few more grand in a cpu set up will see you skip 11 and 10s all together. Let alone the low price of a built up to 400 will have you smiling for years to come.

[URDAPREY]

An Aussie racing company has 302 & 351 9.5 deck man-o-war copys. Seen them forsale in buffallo for $ 1350.00
Made in China tho. Didn't find any bad reviews on them, Aussies know how to run the 1320 with the fords.
Ford racing has a 460 ci small block crate that looks mint.

[99chromegt]

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-engines-and-engine-parts/ottawa/ford-351w/1018443173?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
Gear drive ( noisy ) ?? 10.000km 700+ hp with blower. Price seems high. I know building from scratch tends to work out to more $$ but so can buying something used.

[03svt]

After seeing what Dean has done with the LS motor I'd go that route if I was doing a build 100%

[99chromegt]

After seeing what Dean has done with the LS motor I'd go that route if I was doing a build 100%

I haven't seen his new build yet. Numbers are crazy and if it were mine I'd be very proud of it. Just can't get into my head that I want a non Ford motor in a Ford body. Idk.
Found this ad
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-engines-and-engine-parts/peterborough/1979-351w-rebuilt-with-e-street-heads/1015203965?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

[03svt]

Fabricate some coil covers and it'll look like a new 5L ford motor

[TurboFox]

If you are looking for a used BUILT motor just be sure to be VERY VERY careful. Tons of ppl get ripped off in those deals.

Take a look at fordstrokers.com for a bottom end at least.

[ttpinto]

My full weight 94 Mustang ran 11.3 @ 119mph all day long. It was crazy consistant. It had a 408w with twist wedge fac190 heads, fti custom cam, morel link bar roller lifters, victor efi intake, 90 mm throttle body, 42 lb injectors and c4 trans. I had about $7500 into the combo. With a 75 dry shot of nitrous it ran 10.80 @ 123 mph. The only suspension mods the car had were Lakewood 90/10 struts, tubular upper and lower control arms and an air bag in the passenger side rear spring. The kmember, springs and rear shock were all stock. With slicks the car sixty footed consistant 1.54 and launching on nitrous it went 1.44 lol.

The car did not look like it would run the numbers it did.

[99chromegt]

^^ I remember your quick mention of it and seeing a pic you posted about it. Thanks for the info.

[Slope]

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-engines-and-engine-parts/ottawa/ford-351w/1018443173?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
Gear drive ( noisy ) ?? 10.000km 700+ hp with blower. Price seems high. I know building from scratch tends to work out to more $$ but so can buying something used.

Gear drive goes in the garbage and the 351W GT-40 intake goes on eBay for $1K.

[Intmdtr]

I happen to like the sound of the gear drive motors....

[Slope]

I happen to like the sound of the gear drive motors....

The cheap ones that most people will buy do not belong in an internal combustion engine.

[Intmdtr]

This is true...but my dads 70 GTX was gear driven....was oh so damn sweet.

[99chromegt]

If you are looking for a used BUILT motor just be sure to be VERY VERY careful. Tons of ppl get ripped off in those deals.

Take a look at fordstrokers.com for a bottom end at least.
http://www.fordstrokers.com/diy-liberator-short-blocks/fordstrokers-408-do-it-yourself-short-blocks.html

Holy crap what a website.... kid in a candy store or Slope with a case of RB & some poutine.
This is what I'm going to look into.

[Intmdtr]

yep thats a pretty good shop.

[Slope]

Slope with a case of RB & some poutine.

When I die...


This is what I'm going to look into.

Jim usually has a wait time of 3 months + or -. There's a reason.

Might wanna factor that into your timeline.

[99chromegt]

408/427 351 Windsor based stroker (balanced obviously)
12/12.5:1
Custom solid roller
950/1050 Holley
Parker Funnel Web or Edelbrock Victor Jr/Super Victor
Trick Flow TW225 Race heads, (maybe 240s)
1-7/8" or 2" Primary longtubes
3" exhaust

This would be a sledgehammer, could go quite a bit more conservative...
^^^ I'm about 90% sure this is the route I will take. 351W with 408 stroker setup with good heads, eddy intake & stage 3 TFS cam. I would like to keep the option of adding spray open.

[Darkhorse]

I agree with BIG N/A power as the foundation. You can always supercharge or turbo later if this becomes a year to year ongoing hobby. build a bullit proof bottom end first IMO. You can still run 10's N/A with a dialed in suspension or even a small shot of nos. Nothing like a fresh build to go beat on all day without worry of it blowing up. rear ends, well......they are gonna come and go. :D

[Slope]

^^^ I'm about 90% sure this is the route I will take. 351W with 408 stroker setup with good heads, eddy intake & stage 3 TFS cam. I would like to keep the option of adding spray open.

Do not use the TFS cam. If you are gonna go this far, select a custom piece.

Also, stay away from the later 351 roller blocks. Anything from the 60's through the 80's will suffice with a decent set of link bar roller lifters.

[ttpinto]

Do not use the TFS cam. If you are gonna go this far, select a custom piece.

Also, stay away from the later 351 roller blocks. Anything from the 60's through the 80's will suffice with a decent set of link bar roller lifters.

I agree, go custom cam. For the extra $100 you will get the most out of your combo. I just bought my second custom cam from FTI. Money well spent!

[99chromegt]

^^ great info guys. Thanks. I am so excited to get started on this project. Still debating between dropping the extra coin on an assembled block from a shop or just finding a used block and going through the prep & build process with it. My goal is to run 10s and 9s with a power adder. I'm going to chip away at getting the chassis ready and rolling within the next couple months. Start getting the motor & drivetrain setup this summer and running it by summer 2016. I could squeeze that time frame into one year but don't want this to be a "visa" build lol.

[Slope]

I could squeeze that time frame into one year but don't want this to be a "visa" build lol.

The first Drag Strip event of 2015 might just EXPEDITE that plan...

[99chromegt]

The first Drag Strip event of 2015 might just EXPEDITE that plan...
I know so true. Just looking online at parts and pics of setups makes me want to turn this into a one winter build.
Dash ideas anyone... A cage of some form or fashion will be built. 8 point?

[Slope]

A cage of some form or fashion will be built. 8 point?

Set a realistic E.T. goal and look up what the NHRA requires.

[99chromegt]

Set a realistic E.T. goal and look up what the NHRA requires.

1/2 a seconds @ One million miles per hour.... Said in my best Dr. Evil voice.

[ttpinto]

I know so true. Just looking online at parts and pics of setups makes me want to turn this into a one winter build.
Dash ideas anyone... A cage of some form or fashion will be built. 8 point?

5 to 8 point is legal to 10.0. I have a 5 point roll bar in my pinto. A roll cage is 10 points and needed under 9.99.

NHRA

ROLL CAGE
Roll cage mandatory in cars running 10.99 (*6.99) or quicker or any
car exceeding 135 mph. In full-bodied cars, with unaltered firewall,
floor, and body (from firewall rearward, wheeltubs permitted),
running between 10.00 (*6.40) and 10.99 (*6.99), roll bar permitted
in place of roll cage. In convertibles running 10.99 or quicker or
exceeding 135 mph, roll cage mandatory. Cars running between
7.50 (*4.50) and 9.99 (*6.39) must have chassis recertified every
three years by NHRA and have a serialized sticker affixed to cage
before participation. Plating of chassis prohibited for all cars
manufactured after Jan. 1, 2003. Rear-engine dragsters must
conform to SFI Spec 2.7B; vehicles running 8.49 (*5.35) to 7.50
(*4.50) and/or exceeding 180 mph must meet appropriate SFI Spec
for body used. Effective Jan. 1, 2007, all new Street Roadsters must
conform to SFI Spec 10.4. Existing Street Roadsters must meet SFI
Spec 10.4 at their next scheduled recertification effective Jan. 1,
2008. No existing cars will be recertified early to delay compliance.
All others must conform to specs for body style used, as listed in
General Regulations 4:11, 10:6.

[99chromegt]

^^ there we go. Thanks for the info. I found something similar online today too. The list you posted is more comprehensive. Cage & bar... very different. So I'm thinking cage now so I have room to play.

[ttpinto]

^^ there we go. Thanks for the info. I found something similar online today too. The list you posted is more comprehensive. Cage & bar... very different. So I'm thinking cage now so I have room to play.

There are nhra rule books out there to download or you could buy one. Sub 10 seconds cars have lots of rules.

[99chromegt]

^^ good idea. I need to make up my mind if I'm going to end up competing in events with this project. I would like to support the OSCA and get involved in the organization. Just not sure what class / index... My ultimate goal would be EZ Street but I'm worlds away from that level. Open comp ? 10.99 index? I want to try the 12.90 index with the 99GT next season.

[Slope]

^^ good idea. I need to make up my mind if I'm going to end up competing in events with this project. I would like to support the OSCA and get involved in the organization. Just not sure what class / index... My ultimate goal would be EZ Street but I'm worlds away from that level. Open comp ? 10.99 index? I want to try the 12.90 index with the 99GT next season.

F*ck the Index/Bracket racing.

Heads up is the only way to go.

[Intmdtr]

I will probably step it up to the 11.90 index next year.......so that should give you something to shoot for Andrew.

[99chromegt]

I will probably step it up to the 11.90 index next year.......so that should give you something to shoot for Andrew.

^^Awesome... I'm pretty sure when I spray the 99 it will be there. I'd need some weight reduction & a stroker to do it N/A.
I hope we get to hit the track together MANY TIMES next season. I'm looking forward to seeing what you have up your sleeve. This is going to be fun!

[99chromegt]

I will start a build thread for my new pushrod setup for the Mach 1 chassis once I get more parts assembled and begin working on it. I'm thinking of going with AFR 225 or 220 heads or TFS heads of the same range.
http://www.fordstrokers.com/afr-cylinder-heads-/afr-220-cylinder-heads.html
http://www.airflowresearch.com/SBF225.pdf
I have a 351W block and will be taking to the machine shop when I decide on and purchase the rotating assembly. 408 - 427 stroker.
http://www.fordstrokers.com/stroker-kits-/fordstrokers-408-forged-stroker-kit-.html

[Slope]

TFS PLEASE.

[Tailites]

you wanna play games?...or you wanna run fast?

yes a Ford based build will get you there...but you will pay...& Im Ford ALL THE WAY!...however

reality sux...re think & perhaps go this route...if I was doing an all out effort for the 1320

Im pretty sure I would go this route...http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=590407

its a long read...but its research you need to know

Im going ta be Darrens long lost bother after posting this

[99chromegt]

Slope what do you have against AFR heads? Or is it you love TFS that much?

Tailites .... I did read about half of the 34 or 35 pages in that thread. Killer numbers for sure. I love TurboFox's build and I'm sure there are other members with cool LS etc swaps. Let's just say I'll never say never to building something like that but for now... never lol. My goal for the 1320 is mid to low 10s. Part of the fun in a build for me is buying and trying parts I lust over. For example in my 2V N/A build lots of people said stick with the stock intake manifold others just heat soak. I installed the TFS track heat and love it for my combo. I appreciate anyone's imput & guidance or I wouldn't have asked. Keep it rolling everyone.

[99chromegt]

One debate I've been going back and forth on is which rear end housing to go with. Stock 8.8 or an aftermarket 9".

[TurboFox]

Just run an 8.8 with a spool. Save some money on that end of things

[Slope]

Slope what do you have against AFR heads? Or is it you love TFS that much?

I have nothing against AFR's, in fact, we used them on my Brother's 393W. They were on sale at Summit and he had someone bring them over for him. It fit the budget at the time.

Major TFS fanboy. There's a reason that they've been saddled with a weight penalty for years in NMRA racing...

[Tailites]

Just run an 8.8 with a spool. Save some money on that end of things

yep...you can go into the 7s with a prepped 8.8

if your goals are 10s...stick with as much stock stuff as you can until it breaks

upgrade your axles of course

[Tailites]

TFS are very good heads

[ttpinto]

I have nothing against AFR's, in fact, we used them on my Brother's 393W. They were on sale at Summit and he had someone bring them over for him. It fit the budget at the time.

Major TFS fanboy. There's a reason that they've been saddled with a weight penalty for years in NMRA racing...


I'm a fanboy too lol. They are a great head.

[99chromegt]

So let's talk stroke & compression ratio. I think realistically the 351W will end up turning into a 408 and not a 427. N/A setup with the option of nitrous later on. Race fuel is an option. 10 or 11 range? 4.0 ish stroke?

[TurboFox]

My turbo car is 9.9:1

Run more compression. Cant you get e85 in guelph top?

[Slope]

So let's talk stroke & compression ratio. I think realistically the 351W will end up turning into a 408 and not a 427. N/A setup with the option of nitrous later on. Race fuel is an option. 10 or 11 range? 4.0 ish stroke?

408/410W
11:1 (will run on 91/94 octane) *You also NEARLY rule out boost at this point.
Nitrous LOVES compression

[TC86GT]

My old fox build was a 408W.
10.2:1 compression, Flowtech Induction custom cam, old style AFR 205s, Super Victor intake with a Holley 1000cfm carb and 2" Hooker super comp headers. Ran into the 10.30's @131 at 3200lbs and 4.10 gears. Tightened up the converter in the C4 and ran 9.70's on a 100 shot. 9.50's @140 on a 150 with a very safe pump gas tune. Swapped in a powerglide for reliability and the car ran a best of 9.44 @143 on pump gas on a drag radial.

Very effective combo, broke the late model block after 7 years and too many spray passes to count. RPM killed it in the end, slipping converter got the revs high and MPH didn't pick up. Tightened the converter, added a taller 29" tire and up to 4.30 gears ready to shoot for the 9.20's or better. Ran into the 9.80's on a 50 shot with the revisions but cracked the block(finished it off anyways) on the street before I was able to hit it hard with the spray (200hp+). Oh well, ran hard for a low compression pump gas motor.

[99chromegt]

^^^ nice!! That's what I'm aiming for. Thanks for the info. As much as I want to use the 04 Mach chassis, using a good fox roller for the build would be pretty cool.... Stay tuned

[TC86GT]

Not much difference if you can keep the weight down. Suspension-wise getting it to hook up will be about the same. My target weight was 3000lbs race-ready but being still on the street it never fully got gutted and a 12pt cage didn't help keep weight down and neither did a 275lb driver. Best I could do was 3180lbs ready to race, no flyweight but not a 2 ton tank either.

Plan out the motor build with someone who knows what it takes to make your power goals, don't toss random parts on it and hope they work out. A solid plan of attack will make you happy and only spending once.

[Tailites]

if you only want tens...just do a little build on the 302...theyre cheap & disposable if you break

stock bottom end...(fly cut the pistons if you add a lumpy in there)...power adder of choice...done

you would be hard pressed to get it done any cheaper...also...DO NOT spend a ton on go fast internals

with the stock block...theyre paper thin & will crack if you get it wrong...get it right & the little motor

is an absolute blast...more fun than eatin yer young!!!!

[Tailites]

or you could do what Tim above sez...build on the 351 (more strength)...but its going to cost

[99chromegt]

lots of choices & combos. That's what I find interesting. Already have the 351W and don't mind paying for good internals & machining. This is a budget build but I don't really have one lol. When you look at each main component the price per part seem to range from $1000-$2000ish. It doesn't take long to add up so like TC86GT said have a plan and only spend once.

[Tailites]

you can make some very serious jam with the 351...you have the motor thats a plus

Tim the guy above ran 9s on an old beat 351 truck motor...when his big money motor blew up

so he yanked a junk motor outta a truck & went just as fast...cast pistons too

he didnt tell you that story...Im just fillin in the blanks

[TC86GT]

LOL! Glen, the motor was yanked from a '72 Torino, cut-off wheel clearanced pistons and bolted my top end on. Pure junkyard and it ran pretty well. Didn't hit the 9's but got close, we figured it had less than 8:1 compression....ugly but served it's purpose when the 408 cracked.

Backyard style!

New build is a DIY turbo on my '86. It should have the jam to run into the 10's and when the block goes boom...I'll figure something out then...likely another stock bottom end.

[Slope]

likely another stock bottom end.

I'll hoist one to that!

[Tailites]

LOL! Glen, the motor was yanked from a '72 Torino, cut-off wheel clearanced pistons and bolted my top end on. Pure junkyard and it ran pretty well. Didn't hit the 9's but got close, we figured it had less than 8:1 compression....ugly but served it's purpose when the 408 cracked.

Backyard style!

New build is a DIY turbo on my '86. It should have the jam to run into the 10's and when the block goes boom...I'll figure something out then...likely another stock bottom end.

my version of the story sounded better...

oh ya...next time I tell it...its going ta be a 250 shot...

& run 8s of course...:)

[99chromegt]

^^ and on a street tire.

[Tailites]

^^ and on a street tire.

naw...thats a stretch

[Tailites]

hey Chrome dude...you really want to build it

or are you just fantasizing at the moment

[99chromegt]

^^^ no dreaming on my end...My goal is to have it finished so I can race it 2016.

[TC86GT]

I'll round up some footage...

[TC86GT]

Pump gas 408 on a conservative 150 shot...why I rolled out on the hit I'll never know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GxqtET0SfY


Junkyard 351's final ride, every colour smoke possible and 7000+rpm!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk5M7vFROmE

A 250 hit would have been interesting, if it lived it would have made a killer 1/8 mile pass and probably sent a half dozen rods out by the 1000' mark LOL!

Oh yeah...it was on a street tire too. Hoosier drag radial and MT ET Street radials only at that point. Only change to the car from street duty to strip was the air pressure in them.

[99chromegt]

^^ Nice passes. So much more competition in the 10s.

[Tailites]

^^ Nice passes. So much more competition in the 10s.

you checked out Tims vids...pretty cool!

[Tailites]

^^^ no dreaming on my end...My goal is to have it finished so I can race it 2016.

nope...2015

Slope will help you...:)

btw...never call it dreaming or fantasizing...

it sounds better when you call it "intelligence gathering"..:)

[99chromegt]

^^^ I'm thinking about getting a fox roller & some root beer so Slope will work for free ;)

[Tailites]

^^^ I'm thinking about getting a fox roller & some root beer so Slope will work for free ;)

hes pretty good with Fox bodies...

his cars are slo...

but nobody beats the dude with a wrench...ha ha!

[Slope]

^^^ I'm thinking about getting a fox roller & some root beer so Slope will work for free ;)

Better order in a few boxes of Domino's. Ask Waj...

[Slope]

his cars are slo...

and don't kick head gaskets.

and get driven daily.

and have all required emissions components.

and cruise control.

14lbs via S-Trim + 3.73's I guess would be pretty slow, yeah...

[99chromegt]

Better order in a few boxes of Domino's. Ask Waj...

No problem... Unlimited supply.

[Tailites]

and don't kick head gaskets.

and get driven daily.

and have all required emissions components.



and cruise control.

14lbs via S-Trim + 3.73's I guess would be pretty slow, yeah...

then theres the ol sayin...

if ya aint tearin stuff up

yer not fast...ha ha!

[Tailites]

No problem... Unlimited supply.

Ive seen the dude eat pizzas...

like a hungry junk yard dog on a T bone

[99chromegt]

It's finally on a stand in my garage ready for dismantling and off to the machine shop
http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o626/Bonsaipots/9316B96C-EC4F-4C17-A51B-A2C84A84300A_zps83gb2ju4.jpg (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/Bonsaipots/media/9316B96C-EC4F-4C17-A51B-A2C84A84300A_zps83gb2ju4.jpg.html)
70s 351W starting point

[ZR]

Can hear it running already.

[Slope]

Can hear it running already.

I told ya we'd make a man out of him at some point.