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  1. #1
    MEANMCHN
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    Here's a question

    Always wondered how the percentage got drawn up for Crank to Wheel HP/TQ.

    Kenne Bell says to divide by .85, some say (in Jeremy Clarkson voice) that's it's 17% drivetrain loss for manuals, XX% for auto.

    But doesn't it just take XX HP/TQ to get the vehicle moving.

    For instance, if a Mustang makes 300HP and a similar one makes 1000HP and you base it on Kenne Bell's site the 300HP car actually makes 352 and the 1000HP car actually makes 1176. I've always wondered why/how turning over a same or similar drivetrain costs so much more power.

    Discuss.

  2. #2
    HyperGT
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    Takes power to make power. % of drag (parasitic loss) does not change just because you make more power. Its loss due to friction of drivetrain, rotating mass etc so should in theory be a %, in reality it is not perfectly linear....some losses may be more static but most are proportional, at least that is how i understand it. Divide by .85 gets you to the whole, newer cars are far more efficient and likely closer to 10-12% loss. I am sure someone will chime in with a more technical response.

  3. #3
    tulowd
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    seems to be dependent on which type of dyno you run the car on as well. Eddy current loads it up; inertia dyno reads rate of acceleration and calculates it.
    Proper way would be engine dyno and then car dyno to compare.
    I imagine an auto sucks up more power due to the torque converter than a manual / clutched trans. Rear end will be the same, likely higher losses with a higher gear ratio.

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